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    Default Pager grant narrative needed

    I was wondering if anyone would be willing to share a succesful narrative for pagers. I am just not sure on how to go about it. Not like its extrication equipment and i could write a ton of things about. thanks... dvillefiredept@gmail.com


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    I am thinking of something similar with possibly expanding it to include communications in general. Would like to see anything similar. Thank!

    t.rossette@kiowafire.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lump532 View Post
    I am thinking of something similar with possibly expanding it to include communications in general. Would like to see anything similar. Thank!

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    Hey Guys you really need to narrow it down some. Do you want to use alpha pagers on its own feq? or something that will work with your system that you are using now? There are lots of people on here that are very smart on the subject of radios & paging but like I said give them a little more to go on.

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    I wrote for a department still running Minitor 2s and 3s so I used the reasoning of them needing to update their radio system to meet the narrowbanding requirements. They had purchased the new frequencies and the repeater put having issues coming up with the $10,000 for 20 new pagers. As far as the operational outcome of the project...if they can't hear the page go out, they can't fight the fire, plain and simple.

    They are sitting on a reduction on an OPS app that included the pagers and SCBA so it must be looking somewhat good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfire26 View Post
    They had purchased the new frequencies and the repeater put having issues coming up with the $10,000 for 20 new pagers.
    Be sure to get several bids. You can easily get 20 new Minitor V pagers with numerous options for much less than $10,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfd701 View Post
    Hey Guys you really need to narrow it down some. Do you want to use alpha pagers on its own feq? or something that will work with your system that you are using now? There are lots of people on here that are very smart on the subject of radios & paging but like I said give them a little more to go on.
    We are in the process of trying to move onto our State DTR system. We have received some grant radios already but still do not have enough to switch completely over. We will also need to maintain some of our VHF capability for voice paging and mutual aid. Much of this equipment is not narrowband compliant.

    We would be looking for two things:

    Replacement of our VHF equipment that is not narrowband compliant.

    -Minitor II's, III;s and IV's (About 30)
    -Some VHF Mobile Radios (About 7)
    -Possibly some VHF Portables depending on how we end up implementing the DTR system.

    Acquiring additional portable radios for our State DTR system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLY4420 View Post
    Be sure to get several bids. You can easily get 20 new Minitor V pagers with numerous options for much less than $10,000.
    Thats what were hoping for. I fully anticipate a bidding war from our local radio shops. Have multiple Motorola dealers within earshot of us so it should be interesting.

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    Pagers are capped at $450 through AFG anyway, but you should be able to do much better.

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    Yes I am needing pagers this round as well, we went 800 trunking last year but we have a paging issue. Most of our members carry radios or they listen by a scanner.
    I am needing VHF pager that will work off of our new VHF narrowband repeater and a ASU-M to tie our 800 and VHF system together for redundancy.

    This 800 trunking makes it tough for notifying volunteers since no one makes 800Mhz pagers.

    What is everyone else who is on 800 trunking doing to notify volunteers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLY4420 View Post
    Pagers are capped at $450 through AFG anyway, but you should be able to do much better.
    This app. has SCBA reduced in quantity and price down to $5250 per pack but theres no reduction on the pagers at $500...

    Does this mean my reduction is worthless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfire26 View Post
    This app. has SCBA reduced in quantity and price down to $5250 per pack but theres no reduction on the pagers at $500...

    Does this mean my reduction is worthless?
    No, sometimes things do get by on occassion, but you will not know for sure if the pagers are reduced until you actually recieve the reduction notice.

    I have already seen structural gloves reduced to $50 on a consistent basis, but someone actually got an award for $72. Things do get by once in a while.

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    Just completed sitting though one communications spec meeting with a vendor on tuesday. When it was over felt like I would run and grab the first gun I saw and eat it rather than have to sit through another one.

    Told a couple hours ago by my regional specialist that I would have to do it again anyway. Cannot go through a state contract pricing sole source purchase now as hoped. He said that some of these state bid processes are two years old and that some of this equipment may have gotten cheaper.

    If you want, send me your emails and I'll send you my narrative or dfd can send it to you too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jam24u View Post
    Just completed sitting though one communications spec meeting with a vendor on tuesday. When it was over felt like I would run and grab the first gun I saw and eat it rather than have to sit through another one.

    Told a couple hours ago by my regional specialist that I would have to do it again anyway. Cannot go through a state contract pricing sole source purchase now as hoped. He said that some of these state bid processes are two years old and that some of this equipment may have gotten cheaper.

    If you want, send me your emails and I'll send you my narrative or dfd can send it to you too.
    Jim: As I've mentioned before in our conversations, State bids are seldom the most competitive pricing available. They are a benchmark for those folks that can't be bothered to go out to competitive bidding after writing a proper RFP. Often times you will finds bids that are 35-40% lower from the same vendor than they put in for the state bid.

    You can always let a vendor know they are competing against other vendors and tell them to sharpen their pencil if they want to get the bid award.
    It's a very competitive marketplace out there right now and most vendors know it.
    Most would rather sell at a smaller profit margin.

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    We have till January 2011 to update all of our equipment for the narrowband frequencies. We only have 8 minitor 5's, 1 mobile and 3 portables that are going to be capable of taking the new frequencies. For our dept this is a huge money problem. we still run minitor 2's,3's,and 4's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    Jim: As I've mentioned before in our conversations, State bids are seldom the most competitive pricing available. They are a benchmark for those folks that can't be bothered to go out to competitive bidding after writing a proper RFP. Often times you will finds bids that are 35-40% lower from the same vendor than they put in for the state bid.

    You can always let a vendor know they are competing against other vendors and tell them to sharpen their pencil if they want to get the bid award.
    It's a very competitive marketplace out there right now and most vendors know it.
    Most would rather sell at a smaller profit margin.
    I remember well, but as I discovered, sitting through those vendor meetings are grueling. My county was providing the cash match and extending the bid process was cash out of my departments pocket and hoped I could stop the bleeding with settling on one vendor that was allowed to provide the state contracts pricing. Also would allow me to spend more time on 2010 narratives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    You can always let a vendor know they are competing against other vendors and tell them to sharpen their pencil if they want to get the bid award.
    It's a very competitive marketplace out there right now and most vendors know it.
    Most would rather sell at a smaller profit margin.
    That's exactly what I did, bottom of the last page made a CC notation to all the vendors that were sent that request, I figure if they knew who they were up against maybe they'll work a little hareder to get the bid.

    On a side note, who knew there were so many of them, sheesh I even got a registered letter from a vendor 1500 miles away I never heard of this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrown8988 View Post
    We have till January 2011 to update all of our equipment for the narrowband frequencies. We only have 8 minitor 5's, 1 mobile and 3 portables that are going to be capable of taking the new frequencies. For our dept this is a huge money problem. we still run minitor 2's,3's,and 4's.
    FCC mandate for switch over to narrowband is 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lump532 View Post
    We are in the process of trying to move onto our State DTR system. We have received some grant radios already but still do not have enough to switch completely over. We will also need to maintain some of our VHF capability for voice paging and mutual aid. Much of this equipment is not narrowband compliant.

    We would be looking for two things:

    Replacement of our VHF equipment that is not narrowband compliant.

    -Minitor II's, III;s and IV's (About 30)
    -Some VHF Mobile Radios (About 7)
    -Possibly some VHF Portables depending on how we end up implementing the DTR system.

    Acquiring additional portable radios for our State DTR system.
    Just a thought on the ones that needs pagers. We are using alpha pagers in our county. There are 14 Fire Departments all are on the system that the 911 board owns so there is no reoccurring cost. I do the ordering and programming for the whole county that way if one person can keep up with the numbers or codes. Each Department has a set of numbers or codes that they can use. They can assign a code for each member if they wanted. The board is buying the Apolloís for $85. per pager right now but we have tried a lot of deferent ones. We have around 300 or so in the field. The 911 board pays for the pagers and gives them to the Departments. If one breaks, they bring it by and get another one. If they get a new member give us the name and we give you another pager. For $85. it is cheaper to give a new one than sending it to the shop. We have three repeater sites in the county and when a FD gets paged it hits all three sites using a Zetron 55D store & forward. Also have a back up paging site that can be accessed though a phone line and each Department has access to that for some personal paging or if need to page the whole Department out for whatever reason. For the cost of 30 new Motorola Mentor 5,s you could install a whole paging system that is if you donít need more repeaters of course. One more thing. ISO wants you to be paged on another freq. than you use for fire ground operations. For max points they want to verify that the Fire Department really got the page from the repeater. That was accomplished with a PDT3000 display at the dispatch center along with a hard copy for your records. We have a printer connected to the PDT3000.Now it is not perfect, we do have some problems at times, like when the dispatch pages all the Fire Departments in the county at one time the Zetron 55D seems to hold a page and the thing will come out a few days later for a unknown reason. We have been using this system for 15 years or so. I know that was a lot to absorb at one time. It even gave me a headache. Not trying to talk you out of the Mentor v pagers they are great. Personally if I had the money I would go with the tone & voice pagers but as long as the 911 board buys them for us and keeps up the transmitters than we are going to stick with it. Just giving you another option to think about.

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    dfd my hat is off to you. if you are the keeper of the list and have as much volunteer turn over as we seem too it is a never ending process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrown8988 View Post
    We have till January 2011 to update all of our equipment for the narrowband frequencies. We only have 8 minitor 5's, 1 mobile and 3 portables that are going to be capable of taking the new frequencies. For our dept this is a huge money problem. we still run minitor 2's,3's,and 4's.
    So why did you wait till the last minute ? Should of applied for them on the 2008 or last years AFG.
    I would be really looking at local or forestry grant ( VFA) options since you are saying you have till Jan. 2011 to update. We purchased our minitor 5's with the VFA grant.

    Have a Walmart nearby ? get a few from them with their donation. non-profits like lion's club, Ect. could help if not funds wise then with manpower for a breakfast or supper fundraiser. Just a thought, but to place all your eggs in one basket (AFG) is not a wise choice before your deadline.

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