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    im hoping to become a ff in the next few years and i have a peanut allergy and was wondering how other ff's would react to being asked not to take foods containing peanuts into the station? and allso if i ate my own food brought from home but even if i did that it wouldnt really be safe to be in a area with peanuts in it. so how would you react if a new guy started at your station and then did that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DANNYBEAR View Post
    im hoping to become a ff in the next few years and i have a peanut allergy and was wondering how other ff's would react to being asked not to take foods containing peanuts into the station? and allso if i ate my own food brought from home but even if i did that it wouldnt really be safe to be in a area with peanuts in it. so how would you react if a new guy started at your station and then did that?
    If your peanut allergy is so severe that you can't be in the same building where peanuts are how are you going to be able to do emergency responses? You have to expect that people will have peanuts and peanut butter in their homes.

    Frankly, and I know this will sound harsh, I am not going to stop eating peanuts and peanut butter in the fire station simply because you are allergic to them. The world should not have to adapt to your allergy, YOU should find a way to survive in the world.
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    I have to agree with my colleague.

    Thinking on it, peanut butter is a staple in each and every fire station I have ever been in, worked at, buffed at, etc. Every kitty keeps peanut butter and jelly to use as a quick breakfast, lunch or dinner during a busy shift, or as a snack, or for crackers for the kitchen table in the mornings with coffee.

    I cook with peanut oil often- it is a lighter oil that produces a better overall product in my opinion.

    You actually would consider asking an entire shift of personnel not to eat or bring in anything with peanut oil?

    You better think twice on that one. Sorry. Not the answer you want to hear, but certainly is the one you will get from the majority of those who answer this (IMO.)
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    i accept your opinion but like you protect your fellow ff's at the emergency scene so why not at the station and allso my question was unclear i mean like its not really all peanut products just things like peanut butter and satay you know like things that could leave a residue its not eating peanuts itself that im worried about its like if a plate or something still had a little peanut oil on and then contact with it or like in an extreme case the protein from cooking satay or something becoming airborn

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    i wouldnt be eating food cooked by others either unless i was really 100% sure and from what i know my allergy isnt life threatening but its better just to try to keep away when possible

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    anyway if the worst was to happen its prob one of the best places it could happen haha in a building full of trained medic's with a blue and red escort to hospital

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    and what if i was to take in sunbutter (its like peanut butter but its made out of sunflour seads it even tastes the same) then the only thing would be satay i can think of a way to get around everything else so would you guys be ok with fake peanut butter and not eating satay pretty much everything else with peanuts is ok for me to be around if im carefull

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    This situation is probably not that big of a deal and I'm sure that many fire halls deal with it without major drama. We had one lad in a hall just before I retired and he simply brought his own food and dishes. Mind you we work 12's not 24s or 48s so maybe easier. Nobody even thought of commenting and it was a non issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by DANNYBEAR View Post
    i accept your opinion but like you protect your fellow ff's at the emergency scene so why not at the station and allso my question was unclear i mean like its not really all peanut products just things like peanut butter and satay you know like things that could leave a residue its not eating peanuts itself that im worried about its like if a plate or something still had a little peanut oil on and then contact with it or like in an extreme case the protein from cooking satay or something becoming airborn
    I understood your question perfectly. I understand that many peanut allergies, and it appears yours included, are so severe that the mere introduction of vapors of peanut oil into the air, or residues from various products contaminating eating surfaces could trigger a reaction in your system.

    What I am saying is, that so many products out there contain one kind of peanut product or another. For you to ask everyone not to use them is unrealistic.

    Now, lets say you work in an Engine/Truck/Medic and Battalion House in Philadelphia. That breaks down to:

    Engine: 4 members, x4 shifts= 16

    Truck: 5 members, x4 shifts= 20

    Medic/Battalion: X2 each, 4 shifts= 16

    For a total of 52 people..........

    Thats 52 people you are asking not to bring in or consume peanut products. Ever. For as long as you are assigned to the firehouse.

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    its not really as big of a deal as i made it seem in the first post. what do you think you and the people in your station would do if they were provided with the sunbutter which tastes the same as peanut butter and asked not to take in satay everything else im fine with like breakfast cereals with peanuts muesli bars chocotalte bars like that stuff is fine its just the peanut butter and satay im pretty sure peanut oil wouldnt be an issue ive never met anyone that cooks with it and even then most of the time the protein that causes the reation isnt present in the oil due to the processing

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    If your a good cook, then become the cook and don't cook with peanuts. Thats one way you could control it on your shift by being proactive and not just saying don't bring peanuts. Carry an Epipen and some benadryl. The benadryl should cover you for any airborne allergens and the Epi should take care of you if you accidentally ingest some.

    I also have a severe allergy to peanuts, hasn't been a problem yet and I don't ask anyone not to bring things to the station. I just make sure its known when were making food that we make something without them in it.

    One thing you will need to bring is rehab food when needing to refuel on scene. Most energy bars that we carry have a lot of nuts and allergens in them. Bring some snacks and keep them in your station bag when you get to that point.

    If your allergy is so bad that you can't see PB without having a reaction then you should think about what happens when you go to someone's house and they haven't cleaned in a month and there's PB all over the place in the kitchen. How bad is your allergy, are you being too sensitive? How do you fly on the airlines with all the nuts?

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    thanks for the reply im not really sure if my allergy is severe ive had 2 reactions in the past. Years and years ago all i remember is feeling like i was going to cr*p myself and throw up i cant remember if i actualy did as it was years ago and ive never been on a plane not for that reason ive just never needed to fly anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    If your peanut allergy is so severe that you can't be in the same building where peanuts are how are you going to be able to do emergency responses? You have to expect that people will have peanuts and peanut butter in their homes.

    Frankly, and I know this will sound harsh, I am not going to stop eating peanuts and peanut butter in the fire station simply because you are allergic to them. The world should not have to adapt to your allergy, YOU should find a way to survive in the world.
    Yep! YOU need to change. There is no reason to make everyone adapt to you. I know a guy with a bad peanut allergy, and he does just fine. It can be done, but crying about it and forcing change on others is not the way.
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    if your allergy is that bad that you want your assigned fire house to be peanut free, what are you going to do when you get detailed to other companies? As a rookie you'll be detailed about to gain experience on different companies and see the area your dept. covers. Also as the junior man, you'll probably be the one detailed out the most to cover sickness/vacations/whatevers. Just because you are assigned to a firehouse doesn't mean you'll be there 100% of the time, so you'll need to find a way to adapt or get every firehouse in the city to change.

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    Having a child with a peanut allergy I have learned quite a bit about it. Specifically that a peanut or any food allergy is protected by the ADA. My son's could write a script that would require the school to be peanut free if need be (his teachers and the administration have good policies in place to protect students with allergies, he's obviously not the first one.) The same rules also apply to work environments.

    I would suggest you do what you can to protect yourself. Clean up where you are going to eat before and after, etc... Just the same things you have done at school. As long as you don't want to do a lip-lock with FWDbuff or FryedUp their peanut butter fetish should not matter a bit.

    For everyone else don't do something stupid that might cause a reaction. I am sure you would not want to be the center of a ADA civil rights investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DANNYBEAR View Post
    thanks for the reply im not really sure if my allergy is severe ive had 2 reactions in the past. Years and years ago all i remember is feeling like i was going to cr*p myself and throw up i cant remember if i actualy did as it was years ago and ive never been on a plane not for that reason ive just never needed to fly anywhere.
    I'm not sure you'll survive a firehouse. The way you started this thread made it seem like you'd die if you looked at a jar of peanut butter. Now, it's not that big of a deal? Actually, you might fit in well at the firehouse. Every one of them has at least one guy that can't tell the truth for nothing... Of course, no one likes that guy...

    As for the allergy, let's pretend that we can make the firehouse 100% peanut-free. Every time the bell rings, you have to go out into the unprotected world. The job takes you into strange places with stranger people and you can't control those environments -- even if allergies qualify as a disability.

    If you have a life-threatening allergy... you better keep an epi-pen in your pocket or find a career where the environment can be controlled.

    PS - Firefighters aren't always the smartest guys in the room... but please use a little punctuation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexfd5 View Post
    Having a child with a peanut allergy I have learned quite a bit about it. Specifically that a peanut or any food allergy is protected by the ADA. My son's could write a script that would require the school to be peanut free if need be (his teachers and the administration have good policies in place to protect students with allergies, he's obviously not the first one.) The same rules also apply to work environments.

    I would suggest you do what you can to protect yourself. Clean up where you are going to eat before and after, etc... Just the same things you have done at school. As long as you don't want to do a lip-lock with FWDbuff or FryedUp their peanut butter fetish should not matter a bit.

    For everyone else don't do something stupid that might cause a reaction. I am sure you would not want to be the center of a ADA civil rights investigation.
    Yep, the entire world has to modify THEIR activities because of this peanut allergy. Give me a break. I guarantee you if you come into the firehouse with the force of law over this that one individual will be ostracized for the rest of his career. You are going to remove peanut butter, Kungpow Chicken (I know that is spelled wrong) and anything else with peanuts from the firehouse. Good luck with that.

    It has gotten to the point of ridiculousness with all this ADA stuff. My son has asthma, with many allergens that may or may not at any given time cause him problems. How do we handle it? He has an emergency inhaler and he does his best to avoid those issues. We do not expect the entire world to modify themselves for his convenience and while the ADA flag could be thrown for him too we choose not to.

    If DANNYBEAR has such a severe peanut allergy that it is life threatening I suggest a different career path because this one isn't going to work. What is he going to do ask at the door before he enters if anyone has ever eaten peanut butter, used peanut oil, or eaten peanuts in this building? Maybe whenever he responds he can wear an SCBA for even medical calls. That sure would be a calming factor for the paitients. Nope, I just don't see this being the career choice for him.
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    DANNYBEAR,

    Frankly I don't know what to believe. First you had such a severe allergy that someone saying the word peanut butter would give you a deadly reaction. Now it is 2 reactions in your entire life and neither, by your description, were anything close to life threatening. Maybe before you get all hysterical about this you should go to a doctor and get tested.

    By the way, as for your sunflower butter, no thanks. I like peanut butter, chunky to be exact, and that is what I intend to keep on eating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Yep, the entire world has to modify THEIR activities because of this peanut allergy. Give me a break. I guarantee you if you come into the firehouse with the force of law over this that one individual will be ostracized for the rest of his career. You are going to remove peanut butter, Kungpow Chicken (I know that is spelled wrong) and anything else with peanuts from the firehouse. Good luck with that.

    It has gotten to the point of ridiculousness with all this ADA stuff. My son has asthma, with many allergens that may or may not at any given time cause him problems. How do we handle it? He has an emergency inhaler and he does his best to avoid those issues. We do not expect the entire world to modify themselves for his convenience and while the ADA flag could be thrown for him too we choose not to.

    If DANNYBEAR has such a severe peanut allergy that it is life threatening I suggest a different career path because this one isn't going to work. What is he going to do ask at the door before he enters if anyone has ever eaten peanut butter, used peanut oil, or eaten peanuts in this building? Maybe whenever he responds he can wear an SCBA for even medical calls. That sure would be a calming factor for the paitients. Nope, I just don't see this being the career choice for him.
    You can't even do that under the ADA laws. You cannot have separate but equal.

    By the way this career path does work. I know of one on the job that has the "allergy" and his crew is accommodating than you would be.

    Do I agree with all the ADA stuff, not really. We take the same precautions you do with your son, epi-pen, benadryl, etc... and have not thrown the ADA flag.

    But if Dannybear wants this career he has to take some of the responsibility also. The department has to make "reasonable accommodations" for the situation, basically around the station (cleaning the kitchen, etc...) There's nothing they can do for runs so Dannybear is on his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexfd5 View Post
    You can't even do that under the ADA laws. You cannot have separate but equal.

    By the way this career path does work. I know of one on the job that has the "allergy" and his crew is accommodating than you would be.

    Do I agree with all the ADA stuff, not really. We take the same precautions you do with your son, epi-pen, benadryl, etc... and have not thrown the ADA flag.

    But if Dannybear wants this career he has to take some of the responsibility also. The department has to make "reasonable accommodations" for the situation, basically around the station (cleaning the kitchen, etc...) There's nothing they can do for runs so Dannybear is on his own.
    The ADA still allows the EMPLOYER to decide who it will hire based upon an individuals situation in regard to disabilites. As long as the disability does not prevent the prospective employee from doing the job without special accommodations , there should not be an issue. If the employee must make accommodations that would be costly, then they do reserve the right to not employ that individual.

    Each case considered upon the merits and conditions of the situation. There are for instance "peanut free" schools, but school attendance is a matter of the "right to education" where employment is not a right but a privilege. The employer can employ whomever it chooses. 'After the fact' determinations of some disabilities does not automatically require reasonable accommodations. The employer would have to provide reasonable accommodations if the disability is known at the time of hire.

    This specific disability, as are other food allergies, do present individuals certain challenges. It is not possible to create a zone of protection everywhere. Employees who perform job function outside or in public areas must consider their exposure to environments that may present limitations that pertain to their disability. In this case, there is no specific requirement to impose a "peanut free" zone anywhere that an individual may be exposed. So the individual must take personal precautions and responsibility. In other words, it is impossible to make the entire world safe for everyone.

    CASE CONSIDERATION: Imagine a firefighter with a peanut allergy responding to a restaurant that uses peanut oil for food preparation. The risk of exposure should be considered as well as the consequences of such exposure.

    Rights versus Privileges: A right is protected or guaranteed by Statute or Resolution. A privilege is not protected or required by Statute or Resolution. Someone may decide that they wish to pursue a specific job function. It is their right to apply, but it is not their right to get the job. It is the employors right to employ who they wish to hire. Therefore, it is a privilege to work for that employer. After an individual is employed, they may enjoy specific rights that guarantees wages, working conditions and benefits.

    More information can be obtained from the Department of Justice under the Americans with Disabilites Act.


    Note: I reserve the right to not state my own personal views on this subject. But for the record, I work with individuals that do have 'food allergies', and they seem to function very well without major issues.
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    I re read Dannybears postsagain and nowhere does he say he has an extreme allergy. In fact he says he doesn't know how serious it is. Secondly, he is young, probably a teenager and came on here asking a serious question. Some gave him serious advice, others rant and rave and change his question to what they want it to say. Typical jerk offs.
    This should not be a problem at all. He may have to bring his own food and utensils and dishes but, hey, people do this on many jobs in the world. I do agree that he should go to a Dr and get checked out. It sounds more like a digestive intolerance rather than an allergic reaction from his description of his incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    I re read Dannybears postsagain and nowhere does he say he has an extreme allergy. In fact he says he doesn't know how serious it is. Secondly, he is young, probably a teenager and came on here asking a serious question. Some gave him serious advice, others rant and rave and change his question to what they want it to say. Typical jerk offs.
    This should not be a problem at all. He may have to bring his own food and utensils and dishes but, hey, people do this on many jobs in the world. I do agree that he should go to a Dr and get checked out. It sounds more like a digestive intolerance rather than an allergic reaction from his description of his incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    I re read Dannybears postsagain and nowhere does he say he has an extreme allergy.
    Really? He said... "im worried about its like if a plate or something still had a little peanut oil on and then contact with it or like in an extreme case the protein from cooking satay or something becoming airborn"

    If we're talking about peanut proteins from cooking dishes becoming airborne and causing a reaction, I think I'm going to call that "extreme."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cozmosis View Post
    If we're talking about peanut proteins from cooking dishes becoming airborne and causing a reaction, I think I'm going to call that "extreme."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DANNYBEAR View Post
    thanks for the reply im not really sure if my allergy is severe ive had 2 reactions in the past. Years and years ago all i remember is feeling like i was going to cr*p myself and throw up i cant remember if i actualy did as it was years ago and ive never been on a plane not for that reason ive just never needed to fly anywhere.
    DANNYBEAR: Before you put yourself through any risk, you might want to have a doctor evaluate your level of "peanut allergy". Some people are totally intolerant of peanuts, while others may have mild reactions.

    I have very mild reactions to some peanuts. It is not what I would call an allergy since it is not something that prohibits me from doing anything, or causes life issues. A doctor may determine that I am allergic and I should avoid peanuts altogether, but I reserve the right to make that decision. In my case, I avoid peanut butter, but I eat peanuts from the shell, or salt/roasted from a jar or can. I do not eat peanut butter as a matter of choice mainly because it seems to cause some throat irritation. Peanuts in general do not cause me issues.

    I would never use this as an issue in my occupation. But if I was succeptible to an allergic reaction by airborne exposure, then I may have to make other choices to protect myself. I don't think I could have perfromed as firefighter in that extreme situation due to the nature of what we do, and what we could encounter.

    Nevertheless, I urge you to discover and understand your situation and not to speculate or guess. It might be the difference between your living and not.
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