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    Default New flat SCBA -any new news?

    Has there been any recent news on whether we can expect the new flat, SCBAs to be hitting the market anytime soon?

    http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-prod...Flat-Air-Pack/

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    None that I've seen, but I can't wait. THis thing looks AWESOME.

    One thing I can't figure out...just probably because of lack of information...how would one refill it on scene?

    Other than that, it looks great.

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    Mid to late 2010 into 2011, if testing and manufacturing issues are overcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinKnight View Post
    Mid to late 2010 into 2011, if testing and manufacturing issues are overcome.
    YES!

    Obligatory typing...brevity is a good thing, WT.

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    I hope never!!! Nothing wrong with the SCBAs we have now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATFDFF View Post
    YES!

    Obligatory typing...brevity is a good thing, WT.
    And your point is?

    Anyway, thanks, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinKnight View Post
    And your point is?

    Anyway, thanks, I think.
    Oh, no point really. Just surprised it's progressing that quickly. IMHO, good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruckSixFF View Post
    I hope never!!! Nothing wrong with the SCBAs we have now!
    Other than the fact that they are too heavy, too bulky and present a possible entanglement hazard.. they're great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Other than the fact that they are too heavy, too bulky and present a possible entanglement hazard.. they're great!
    Yeah, no kidding, and only provide 45 minutes of air at maximum.


    What's your beef dude?
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    Sometimes people are just resistant to change, no matter what it is. Same mentality that kept the SCBA we use now on the truck instead of on someone's back when they first became popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey View Post
    Yeah, no kidding, and only provide 45 minutes of air at maximum.


    What's your beef dude?
    My beef? I prefer Filet Mignon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    My beef? I prefer Filet Mignon!
    Those are very good but I prefer a big honkin' sirloin or even a ribeye!!
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    I like a good brisket.

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    Can't wait to see the finished product! This is the type of technology will improve firefighter safety by making the equipment less bulky and less chance of entanglement by the SCBA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireWA1 View Post
    I like a good brisket.
    Oklahoma pit smoked brisket I presume?

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    I'm not against change, but what concerns me is that once the SCBA industry gets done mucking around in the NFPA process, naturally the "new" style of pack will become the standard and we will be faced with another costly replacement of a perfectly good system

    By the way, any pics of this thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmleblanc View Post
    I'm not against change, but what concerns me is that once the SCBA industry gets done mucking around in the NFPA process, naturally the "new" style of pack will become the standard and we will be faced with another costly replacement of a perfectly good system

    By the way, any pics of this thing?
    If you do a google image search, some stuff comes up. I just did a quick one to get an idea of what it looks like. I didn't look for any detailed pictures or anything. It definitely presents less of an entanglement hazard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Oklahoma pit smoked brisket I presume?
    Well it is pretty good...

    at least it was when I was there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Oklahoma pit smoked brisket I presume?

    Can't say about the style of cooking.. but there is a place near/in Bellevue, WA (about 10 miles out of seattle) that has the best BBQ that I have ever had. Though I will admit I have yet to travel out to BBQ country. Dixie's BBQ, used to be a auto repair that had BBQ but moved to just BBQ.


    EDIT: the real questions is why am I up at 2am... :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireWA1 View Post
    Can't say about the style of cooking.. but there is a place near/in Bellevue, WA (about 10 miles out of seattle) that has the best BBQ that I have ever had. Though I will admit I have yet to travel out to BBQ country. Dixie's BBQ, used to be a auto repair that had BBQ but moved to just BBQ.


    EDIT: the real questions is why am I up at 2am... :/
    Indigestion from eating bad brisket?

    There's a great BBQ place just 1.8 miles from the Casa da Gonz called Firefly's.. THey have an awesome Brunch on Sunday.. everything from omelets to texas style beef brisket....

    Their website.... www.fireflysbbq.com

    Damn.. it's Sunday and I'm hungry....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATFDFF View Post
    One thing I can't figure out...just probably because of lack of information...how would one refill it on scene?
    Good question. I don't see how we could use our air truck to re-fill one.

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    its interesting, but I'm just not sure of it yet. I have the same question as everyone else, how will re-equip with air? Right now a firefighter can switch bottles in under 5 minutes without taking our pack off assuming he has a buddy. Is the benefits of this going to justify a significant reconfiguration of our equipment? We'll need new seats, completely replace air packs, replace the actual air vessels, filling equipment will need to be modified if not totally replaced. Even our air/support trucks will need changing as storage will be different, but that might be easier.


    Even if everything works out as many hopes, I can't imagine the switch coming anytime soon for most departments. Many of us are struggling to keep firehouses open, the money for a drastic change isn't there.
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    As far as refilling on scene ... they will figure out a way to make it hook up with existing equipment of they will seriously be limiting their own market place. It makes good business sense to do it or somebody else will ...

    Here is a link to the only pic i could find and the pic sucks.

    http://www.firerescue1.com/data/flatpack.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    ...We'll need new seats, completely replace air packs, replace the actual air vessels, filling equipment will need to be modified if not totally replaced. Even our air/support trucks will need changing as storage will be different, but that might be easier...
    This. The new form factor of these air packs could change the design of our fire apparatus. Consider that today's custom cabs are designed to accommodate SCBA brackets, which add some length, and the leftover space is usually used to store equipment because, well, we might as well use it for something. The new air packs may not need big mounting brackets. Maybe the cabs become shorter, or they stay the same length but there is more room for equipment inside. And what will we use those wheel well compartments for?

    Maybe, with the form factor of these new air packs (flat but wide) it is simply easier to stack them in one of the compartments, and have regular seats in the cab. With regular seating in the cab and no SCBA to put on, would there still be a need for a 14' raised roof in the back? Maybe flat top cabs would make a comeback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmleblanc View Post
    By the way, any pics of this thing?
    I've seen better pictures, but:


    As for refilling, I've got to believe that there will be some standard.

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