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    We were just awarded our FP&S grant and have a fire extinguisher trainer in the grant. We are using the Bullex system as a model for what we want and have done alot of looking and have not seen anything else on the market that is even close. I just want to make sure and meet my obligation to get alternate pricing , if it exists. Does any one know of another company or is this completely a single source item?

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    Unless your local area requires a full bid writeup in the paper and all that good stuff then DHS considers a bid to be a price for a product. As long as you have more than one vendor represented for the generic term "fire extinguisher trainer" then jsut document why you went with the BullEx system, such as features for the price, ease of use, or whatever it might be. Keep the other quotes on file in case they're ever needed. If no one else makes a system then it's not our issue, it's a free country and if some companies are making a conscious decision not to make products then we have to buy from the one that is.

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    Ok, thanks. We have emailed bullex asking for a dealer list in order to obtain competitive bids. I don't believe they have dealers but at least I can use their reply in my folder for documentation.

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    If there's only 1 name brand it's not an open bid, which is why you have to have the other vendor information in there also. As long as an evaluation process was done in choosing one name brand over the other then it's compliant. Only rare instances where sole source is valid, this isn't one of them. Others make live burn pans, propane fired, etc, so those are the folks the prices need to come from. Still can buy the BullEx, just have to have the right paperwork in the right spot in case DHS asks who else you looked at.

    Which of course might not be hard since you're the lone SW IL FP awardee so far.

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    Actually our narrative requested a digital alternative in order to expand our current program both indoors and year round. In the past we have brought a metal trash can and newspaper on the rig. It has worked but very messy dealing with burnt paper and extinguisher residue everywhere. We will get some quotes from vendors using alternative fuel sources. Thanks for the info

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    Didn't realize you requested the laser-only version, then no need to even get multiple prices from their dealers. Still considered sole-source in that case since no one else makes one.

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    BFD 1205 can you share your narrative with me for the fire extinguisher trainer? I am looking into adding one into our next grant.

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    If you are willing to share I would like to take a look at your narrative also. The person in charge of FP&S grants last year only did a half hearted job and we have a new guy heading that particular grant. Since we have been looking at this very piece of equipment it would be nice for him to see a winner.

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    can you share your narrative with me for the fire extinguisher trainer. Thank You
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    If I may, can I also get a copy of the winning narrative? I applied two years ago and was rejected, I would like to compaire and see where I can pick up some pointers. Thanks
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    I will send the narrative to all of you that asked, it will be next Tuesday before I will be back on duty.

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    If you could spare one more narrative request for the trainer. abvette@verizon.net

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    can you send me your narrative also. fao110@yahoo.com

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    Me too if you do not mind. fire1544@hotmail.com. also where in sw il are you????? im in sc il

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    Im in Belleville and will send copies out on Monday to all that ask when I am back at the station.

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    Wouldn't mind seeing your narrative myself. I've been working on a project for the last three grant cycles with no luck. Actually had it removed from one of my grants. If you wouldn't mind send it to RsnFyr77@comcast.net. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfd1205 View Post
    We were just awarded our FP&S grant and have a fire extinguisher trainer in the grant. We are using the Bullex system as a model for what we want and have done alot of looking and have not seen anything else on the market that is even close. I just want to make sure and meet my obligation to get alternate pricing , if it exists. Does any one know of another company or is this completely a single source item?
    Congratulations bfd1205, how did you make a fire extinguisher trainer address the two target audiences... those over 65 and those 14 yoa and under.
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    When did Fire Prevention & Safety initiatives become limited to only those two age groups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    When did Fire Prevention & Safety initiatives become limited to only those two age groups?
    I didn't say it was strictly limited to, but the targeted high risk groups do gain you more points.
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    Except when aiming certain projects at them makes for an automatic DJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    Except when aiming certain projects at them makes for an automatic DJ.
    Well sort of. A little birdie explained to me on the phone the other day that those over 65 in a retirement community, or a long term care facility would indeed score fine. It is only when you are targeting a direct care or terminal facility in which you would lose points for this goal and not achieve the target audience. Hope it helps!

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    bfd1205 I would like to see a copy of your narrative. We are a very proactive fire and life safety department but have been unsussessful in getting funding for this training tool. Thanks for help
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    bfd1205 I would like to see this also as I have tried for this before with no luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktb9780 View Post
    Congratulations bfd1205, how did you make a fire extinguisher trainer address the two target audiences... those over 65 and those 14 yoa and under.
    We actually made ours a 3 part grant using the trainer to enhance our existing fire safety education which does instruction to any group that requests but we also tied this to our inspection/pre plan program targeted at our historic downtown using a requests for the laptops ,software and training along with a knox box program to make a complete fire safety program for all that visit our business district. We are offering training to all businesses and to every place we have a fire of any magnitude , in case an extinguisher might have hepled. If you would like to see how it was tied together i would be happy to send you a copy. It was a simple narrative but we were successful,I think because we tied it into a bigger objective. we have just started using it and it is quite a tool. As an example we just had a preschool tour at the station the other day and when we were done with the children we had the 2 teachers do a demo on the trainer and both had said they had never picked up an extinguisher before and they learned alot.

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    Maybe my e-mail would help

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