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    what is the difference between a speed lay and a cross lay. My dept only uses cross lays so thats what im used to, just wondering what exactly a speed lay is compared to the cross lay


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    Crosslays typically high on hose body, over pump panel. Speedlays much lower, on sliding trays or below top-mount panel. I've also seen speedlays that form a benchseat for the operator of a top-mount punmp.
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    Location. Location. Location. That is the difference.

    Crosslays are USUALLY located above the pump panel.

    Speedlays are usually in front of a top mount pump panel mounted vertically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFDCar1 View Post
    Crosslays typically high on hose body, over pump panel. Speedlays much lower, on sliding trays or below top-mount panel. I've also seen speedlays that form a benchseat for the operator of a top-mount punmp.
    Sorry for the picture quality, but this should display what was previously stated...Cross lays up top, speedlays down below
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg55 View Post
    Sorry for the picture quality, but this should display what was previously stated...Cross lays up top, speedlays down below
    Visual effects... your good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Visual effects... your good.
    lmao, I try Chief. It only took me 25 minutes to find a decent picture on our site too! google didn't help this time surprisingly enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg55 View Post
    google didn't help this time surprisingly enough!
    Shoulda tried wikipedia...

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    So would a bumper line be considered a speedlay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGITCH View Post
    So would a bumper line be considered a speedlay?
    We call them bumper crosslays. 200 feet of 2 inch hose.
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    Not to critize how you all do things but why have a bumper crosslay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lvfd2167
    Not to critize how you all do things but why have a bumper crosslay.
    Crosslays and speedlays are usually 1 1/2" or 1 3/4".

    Bumper Lays are usually 2" or 2 1/2", although we use a 3".

    The larger hose on the front bumper is faster than a line off the rear; easier to grab and easier to deploy.

    We can deploy two 200' bumper lines with a ground monitor faster than most can get the first 200' off their hose bed.
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    It's funny how the terminology "grows" locally.... We've always called a bumper line, or an attack line in a side running board well, a "trash line".
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    I remember the reel-mounted lines.....that is what we called a trash line.....(booster line too).....also had a compartment in the bumper with a trash line on some rigs.....so much easier to pull for a 'trash' fire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lvfd2167 View Post
    Not to critize how you all do things but why have a bumper crosslay.
    We have a short 100' rubber 1.75" line for car fires. It gives us a smaller side to side profile when operating on a roadway. Also, since it's rubber, we just pack it away when done.
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    I've seen bumper lays that were definitely not crosslaid. In fact, they were in a compartment on the extended bumper, under a lid, to keep them out of the weather and road dirt.

    Ironic that Wikipedia should be mentioned. When I looked up "Mattydale Lay", the entry starts with "also called "cross-lay", "speedlay", and "transverse lay", ...".

    As has already been suggested, it depends on where you are. One firefighter's "speedlay" is another's "crosslay." [rhetorical question] How many of you recognized the term "Mattydale?" [/rhetorical question]

    I've always known reel lines as "booster lines."
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    I've seen bumper lays that were definitely not crosslaid.
    I think I saw a movie with that in it once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    We call them bumper crosslays. 200 feet of 2 inch hose.
    Did the manufacturer have to cut the chassis frame rails to do that?

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    Default Crosslays vs. Speedlays

    The terminology in the Fire Service is based in what area your department is. In our area, crosslays are preconnected attack lines and speedlays are flat loaded but not preconnected attack lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lvfd2167 View Post
    Not to critize how you all do things but why have a bumper crosslay.
    Here is why we did it. We are a volunteer FD. Everyone has to go back to work or where ever. It take less than 5 minutes to reload this and it is one of the fastest hosebeds to lay out that I have ever seen. On top of that no one has to climb on top to reload, so it is safer.

    It has worked well for us and YES I would spec it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    I've seen bumper lays that were definitely not crosslaid. In fact, they were in a compartment on the extended bumper, under a lid, to keep them out of the weather and road dirt.

    Ironic that Wikipedia should be mentioned. When I looked up "Mattydale Lay", the entry starts with "also called "cross-lay", "speedlay", and "transverse lay", ...".

    As has already been suggested, it depends on where you are. One firefighter's "speedlay" is another's "crosslay." [rhetorical question] How many of you recognized the term "Mattydale?" [/rhetorical question]

    I've always known reel lines as "booster lines."
    Mattydale is in reference to Mattydale NY, where supposedly the first preconnected crosslays were utilized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FD1976 View Post
    Did the manufacturer have to cut the chassis frame rails to do that?
    I have to go look to be sure but I think it was a custom extension to the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I have to go look to be sure but I think it was a custom extension to the frame.

    Yep. The Frame Rails end at about the Cab edge, or just below the Grille, or whatever. Apparatus with "Extended" Front bumpers (We've had them since the 50's) Have a Piece of Steel that effectively adds length to the Frame, and when the Bumper is Attached, gives you solid Collision Protection.

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    Our crosslays are like everybody elses, above or even with the pump panel, and sectioned to 100', 200, 300'. What some call speedlays, we call trash lines. The only thing they are good for are trash and car fires.

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