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    I have an interesting question.

    My department runs a tanker that we built on a cab and chasiss that belongs to the state forestry department. We made the tank and installed the pump. The truck is ours as long as we use it, but if we take it out of service we have to give it back to the forestry department. I have no control over what they do with it once I return it.

    If we are awarded a new tanker from AFG, will i have to remove the tank before I return the truck to forestry. I definatly plan on removing our dump valve, pump, lights and siren.

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    I have yet to see a state forestry that would require you to remove the tank - but I am sure there are some strange places out there. Best source of info would be your forestry department.

    There is no federal requirement for you to remove the tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    I have yet to see a state forestry that would require you to remove the tank - but I am sure there are some strange places out there. Best source of info would be your forestry department.

    There is no federal requirement for you to remove the tank.

    Forestry would not care if I removed the tank. Actually they would probably want me to leave it on there so they could get someone else to use it as a tanker again. I know that is part of the intention of the grant is to get homemade trucks off the road. I just dont have any control over what happens to it once we turn it in. I can just guarentee that we would not use it again.

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    I believe it is understood by the AFG side that you have no control over it when you turn it in, and they don't expect you to remove the tank.

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    We sold our old tanker to a farmer and had him sign a letter certfying would not be used for fire service.

    For FEPP chassis being turned in I think if the FD owns the tank I'd remove it and scrap (for cash) or sell it to a farmer/etc. Then you're taking reasonable steps to meet the INTENT of the program regs. You KNOW the forester is likely to reissue the chassis to a FD if it is still usable. With tank attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    We sold our old tanker to a farmer and had him sign a letter certfying would not be used for fire service.

    For FEPP chassis being turned in I think if the FD owns the tank I'd remove it and scrap (for cash) or sell it to a farmer/etc. Then you're taking reasonable steps to meet the INTENT of the program regs. You KNOW the forester is likely to reissue the chassis to a FD if it is still usable. With tank attached.
    That's what I was thinking and I think I was hoping somebody would say I was wrong. LOL
    If we can't find a suitable buyer for it I guess we will just try to find a scrap yard to remove it for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1500chief@sbcglobal.net View Post
    That's what I was thinking and I think I was hoping somebody would say I was wrong. LOL
    If we can't find a suitable buyer for it I guess we will just try to find a scrap yard to remove it for us.
    Defeats the purpose of the program removing the apparatus from service then if the forestry dept. is gonna reissue it especially if it was written into the narrative that it was an unsafe truck. If that's the case I got it in writing from you FEPP coordinator that is way the truck is being replaced.

    As for the tank if your not gonna reuse it then drive unit to junkyard or
    recycler unbolt and take the cash for your match or small equipment that you will need for the new tanker.

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    Call a program specialist and ask them.

    No matter how all of us feel it "should" be, they
    are the ones that control the program.

    If it is not that big a deal to pull the tank then do so,
    but otherwise, just make a call.

    What they have told departments around here is turning
    the equipment back into our conservation department is
    a perfectly acceptable means of disposal.

    And what the heck, maybe some department that may get it
    next can really use it!

    No where does it say we are responsible for the truck
    cradle to grave.

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    Which state is your forestry? KY forestry most likely would not care. As LV said you need to talk to a coordinator. We returned a deuce and it went straight from our department to another department.

    We have also written ours as a replacement. Also, in the narrative we stated that it would be sold as a non-fire service vehicle, meaning we will not sell it to a fire department or sell it as a fire tanker and we would remove all fire service related items from the tanker, i.e. lights, sirens, tools, radios, etc.. Or, we said we would simply scrap it. The only thing in our control is not selling it to a fire department or if we scrap it. Nothing is preventing the person who buys it from selling it to a fire department. Although it would take a lot of work to make it usable after we get done with it.

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    I had the same issue last year with a HumVee from FEPP. I wrote in the narrative the safety issues with the truck plus who owned the truck. When I got the ten questions, I answered the one about removal from service that we could not guarantee the end result as it did not legally belong to us. We were still approved for a new replacement.

    Regardless of AFG or FEPP, remove what you put on it and get whatever $$$$ you can out of it.

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