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    cograts to top scorers!, im just over a hundred, but i also heard to keep your ears open later this summer, for an academy of roughly 70, then spring 2012 another academy of 50.

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    Top 40 rank here. I feel very fortunate to have this ranking considering that only a few thousandths of a point separated the first and second tier scores. There were only 48 "aptitude" questions on the exam compared to a few hundred psych & personality profile questions. I'm led to think that the psych questions were most responsible for differentiating the scores.

    Also, I wonder if they are going to bother with giving a follow up written psych exam to the top candidates. They'll probably conduct the psych interviews, but it seems a bit redundant to spend money on another questionaire when a psych assessment was already baked into our written exam in July with nearly 400 personality profile questions.

    A number of you have heard rumors that background packets are going out relatively soon. This is encouraging. Sounds like they won't be going too deep - just criminal history, driving record, employment stuff. That shouldn't take very long to process; most of the background info is accessible with just a few mouse clicks.

    As for timing of academy, I've been told that a number of factors will determine when/if academy begins this years:
    1) Budget: the current budget condition will influence whether Cleveland can afford to hire new firefighters. If facing another deficit, the city could possibly rely on OT to fill staffing vacancies created by DROP retirements. They might conclude that OT is less expensive than hiring new FFs with benefits
    2) Weather/season: I've been told that Cleveland would prefer to put on an academy in Spring or Fall. It seems unlikely that they will be able to process the background checks and stuff in time for a spring class. So fall might be more plausible. Someone on this thread mentioned mid-late summer. I suppose that's possible since the first few weeks of academy is devoted to EMS training.
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    Default 230's???

    I've been stalking this page since the day of the written test. I have been told and heard so many different rumors on number of people being hired from 100-300...Does anyone have a clue as to how many they will be hiring. I sit in the 230's and am aware I have no realistic shot off the first couple classes. Just wondering input if there seems to be a chance for us guys sitting in the mid 200's within the next 2 years. I know the list still have to be certified and there are a few lawsuits currently going on so hopefully the longer the delay the better it is for us.
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    i totally agree that backgrounds shouldnt take too long to process, considering everything is online and easily accessable.

    and i think another few factors with regards to getting an academy started, is this whole cluster bomb of rumors about CEMS, and E. Cleveland take over.
    those are prob bigger concerns than weather, but i do understand the need to not do ladder and fire operations in the NE Ohio snow!!

    and about the defecit, what if the city hires a class this year, and lays them off next year due to budgit issues,...pretty much same thing that happened with the guys off the '98 test.

    anyone hear about budget issues with the city? or any new interesting news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith1989 View Post
    and about the defecit, what if the city hires a class this year, and lays them off next year due to budgit issues,...pretty much same thing that happened with the guys off the '98 test.

    anyone hear about budget issues with the city? or any new interesting news?
    If the city hires a class this year I would be really surprised if they layoff the new firefighters next year...even if there are budget issues in 2012. Considering that close to 300 firefighters MUST retire between 2011 and 2014, the city will probably rely on the DROP attrition to reduce staff and keep the newly hired firefighters on board.

    As for current budget issues in Cleveland, things look promising this year. Mayor Jackson just announced that he has balanced the budget for 2011 without any cuts in jobs, services. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011...ackson_20.html

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    I have it on very solid authority that Cleveland Fire background packets and applications will be going out next week to the top 200 candidates.

    I was also informed that in addition to facing disqualification for felony convictions, Cleveland's background investigation will include disqualification for unsatisfactory credit history. According to my source, persons with bankruptcy, repossession, and/or collections & charge off accounts will face automatic elimination. This is new for Cleveland Fire.

    In light of recent economic conditions in northeast Ohio, I have a feeling that a lot of people will fall short in this category. If you are under 25 years old, then you should have nothing to worry about. Frankly, you probably haven't had credit long enough to mess it up. For those of you in your late 20's and early 30's who may have hit a rough patch or two along the way, good luck.
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    you know its funny. I found my letter with my results on it today while cleaning out my desk. If I lived in Cleveland I would have been in the top probably 100 with a 107...blows with the extra 10 points for living in cleveland.

    Just goes to show you that hard work will get you close but opportunity and dumb luck will get you the job
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    Default Senate Bill 5

    If some of you have not noticed Ohio's current state senate has introduced a bill that will effectively end collective bargaining as we know it in OH. This bill will result in less pay, benefits and rights that many of us have fought hard for. We need everyone's help. This is a very serious concern for current and Future OH Firefighters. Please take the time to find out who your local state senator and state representative are and send them a letter (e-mail) and a phone call to their state office telling them you oppose this bill. Please be professional. Insults and name calling will not help our cause. For more info please go to www.oapff.com.

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    Default found something interesting

    Since I saw Frank Jackson's budget proposal was online at the city of Cleveland's website, I figured I'd take a look at the funding levels for Cleveland Fire. If you scroll down to page 295 (labeled page 289) of the PDF located here: http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/clnd...rsEstimate.pdf you can see the city's proposed funding of the department for 2011.

    For those who don't want to look, the budget is there for 50 Trainees at $10.50/hr. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect a class of 50 this year to be fielded. Kind of just confirms what has already been said, but has more of a concrete number. Looks like they are budgeting for the loss of about 40 journeyman FF's this year, evidenced also by the seperation pay they have budgeted for.

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    Any updates or 411 on Cleveland's list? Have packets gone out yet? Hopefully someone has useful info.

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    not sure if everyone saw or heard the news article, CFD just got 3 or 4 million from fed govt, heard a few different stories on what they are trying to do with it. some of what ive heard are conflicting rumors
    -heard they were doing top 200 backround checks
    -heard they were taking top 100 ppl, and processing them (backround, medical, etc) and putting those people in the academy this year after the promo exam
    -promo exam is being held in april or may, i forgot what the FF i talked to told me

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith1989 View Post
    not sure if everyone saw or heard the news article, CFD just got 3 or 4 million from fed govt, heard a few different stories on what they are trying to do with it. some of what ive heard are conflicting rumors
    -heard they were doing top 200 backround checks
    -heard they were taking top 100 ppl, and processing them (backround, medical, etc) and putting those people in the academy this year after the promo exam
    -promo exam is being held in april or may, i forgot what the FF i talked to told me
    I, too, heard that Cleveland is planning to start an academy class very soon after the promotional exam (to be given within next 60 days). That means we should expect background checks to begin soon.

    johnsmith1989, have you heard whether they've already begun background investigations? I've received conflicting information on how the background process works. One person said Cleveland will probably do a BCI/FBI check, driving record, and psych interview. Another CFD person said the investigators will probably visit your home, talk with your neighbors, family, and friends. Seems like the latter would take a very long time for 100 plus candidates, especially if they are trying to put on a class in late spring or early summer. Does anyone know with a fair amount of certainty what is involved in Cleveland's background investigation?
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    Anyone know the date that the promo exam will be given?

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    @maverick80-not sure about the backround, def a FBI check, and based on what they find they might call references/neighbors/past employers.

    @FIREJAWZ-not sure when promo is going on, but chief collins (who ran Don Mcnea fire school) is putting on a study class for the promo, and i saw the SOP & General Orders of CFD that they are reviewing for the test, and the book is HUGE, picture two reams of paper in a massive six inch high binder clip, thats what they have to review for the test, 1,000+ pages. sick.

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    Check your mail. Got a letter dated 3/1 that needs to be signed + returned to city hall by 3-8 to continue to be considered.

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    I'd love to move back to Cleveland to work for Cleveland FD.
    I grew up in the area (east sider), and also my uncle worked for and retired a Cleveland firefighter.. wonder if that gives me any points??

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    Yeah those who received letters will want to take them downtown asap. They are scheduling an interview when you drop the letter off, so first come gets first appointment. Background packet is only about 12 pages.

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    @ fromCLE: I also submitted my form to City Hall. A bit of a zoo downtown with the S.B. 5 protestors and Mayor Jackson's state of the city address today.

    Anyway, I've read some of your previous posts and you seem to be relatively well informed about the process (I assume you have an "informant" within CFD). Any info on how many people received this Certification notice? Also, what do you know about the background checks? Have they been completed already, or should we expect to receive a personal history questionaire like they give to the police applicants?

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    No one scheduled an interview with me when I submitted my form. I simply returned my signed paperwork to civil service and the safety dept as instructed. The desk clerk thanked me and said "have a nice day." Were they suppose to schedule my interview and give me my background packet when I turned in my form?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREJAWZ View Post
    No one scheduled an interview with me when I submitted my form. I simply returned my signed paperwork to civil service and the safety dept as instructed. The desk clerk thanked me and said "have a nice day." Were they suppose to schedule my interview and give me my background packet when I turned in my form?
    yeah I was a little surprised too, since no mention was made and the rumor mill didn't see an interview of any sort.

    there was a table in the hallway by civil service, room 119, when I went in the morning labeled fire with a (I believe) captain sitting there. I asked him, and he told me to come back when I dropped my letters off to their respective locations. you fill out a basic info sheet (name, addy, phone, etc.) and get a letter with a date and time(scheduled at the table) to see "a fire official" at headquarters (1645 superior, corner of E. 17th) to drop off the packet. as I said, about 12 pages, mostly employment and residence info, along with the typical are you trying to overthrow the country questions.

    I don't have an informant, I do know someone who I can ask questions though. Being public employment, much of this stuff is out there if you ask or do a little research. I guess I prefer to only post facts and avoid speculation/rumors that later wind up being far from the truth

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    Ok, so I have a question about a tricky situation. In October 2010, I applied for a position with the City of Cleveland that was completely unrelated to the Fire Dept. Well, as timing would have it, the position is now available but only as a temporary assignment. I have been scheduled to interview on Monday. I am currently between jobs and could use the income. I am also ranked in the top 50 on the Fire eligibility list. Needless to say, I am conflicted about how to proceed. Is it improper to accept a job with the city when there is a reasonable possibility that I will get called up to the Fire Dept some time within the next 2 to 6 months? Will the Fire Dept frown on me for taking a job with the city in a different department when I'm trying to get hired on as a firefighter? Thanks for your feedback on this.

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    I'd say go forward. In my opinion sinc you arent working its even less of a question. Nothing is guaranteed until it happens. I promise there are people who ranked who are on eligibility lists for other depts anyways. Gaps in employment arent the best thing anyways to explain.

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    Cleveland is conducting background interviews during the 4th week in March. In the past, the background investigation & medical exams were conducted prior to the interview and the interviews were the last step in the process before candidates were hired to begin academy. It seems this time that they are combining the background check and interview process.

    Candidates were given a 12 page background questionaire to complete and return at their scheduled interview date. During the interview an officer with Cleveland Fire will go over the background questionaire with the candidate. I assume this would be an opportunity to address any questionable issues directly, as opposed to discovering problematic issues after the fact.

    Although candidates are required to submit this detailed background packet during the interview, I am compelled to think that a preliminary background investigation will have been completed by CFD prior to the interview. The reason I say this is because when candidates picked up the background packet, they were also given an orange form to fill out at City Hall. This form asked for current and previous address information, social security number, drivers license number, physical description, and a few other personal items. I think they will use this info to run a preliminary background so that they can compare their findings with the information provided in our background packet during the interview.
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    So is this a suit and tie interview? Or a just don't look like a schmuck when you walk in interview?

    Also, I do think they need your signed consent to run your credit, so I wouldn't count on that portion being completed by the interview date. Although, one could have already signed that right away at some point in the past and it wouldn't surprise me...

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    @fromCLE: I'm not sure if they want us dressed in our Sunday best for these interviews, but I would suggest that you wear something nice and look professional. These interviews will be conducted by Chiefs and Captains, so appearance matters.

    I think you are correct about them not doing credit checks. To my knowledge we never signed a release giving permission a for credit check. Also, our personal history packet does not inquire about credit history. So, I'm betting that credit is not an issue for now.

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