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    Quote Originally Posted by OHFirestopper View Post
    The upcoming academy being canceled and the new layoffs are not part of the citys fault, they're bracing for the wrath of senator Kasich who is about to cut the funding that all local governments get from the state. This is funding that has been in placed for many many years and local governments rely on this.
    I don't disagree that Cleveland's current budget crisis is due in large part to heavy cuts proposed by Governor Kasich. But my point was not to assign blame (although both Kasich and local Cleveland officials share some of the blame in my opinion). Regardless of who is at fault, the point is that Cleveland is always facing some kind of fiscal or legal crisis that seems to negatively impact the stability of public safety employment. This latest example is just one of many others.

    As for the SAFER funds, that money is being returned to the feds. It was originally earmarked for hiring and must be used for that purpose or returned. If the City wants to receive grant money to prevent layoffs then they will have to re-apply for a grant specifically for that purpose.
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    lets hope for the best for all city workers that a resolution can be come to, so families are not affected by these cuts.

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    100% agreed! These cuts and layoffs can cause a lot of pain to families. For some of these firefighters, this will be their second or third time being laid off in 7 years. I hope things improve soon for the city.

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    finely worded letter they sent out, a nice way of saying everyone is screwed, no one is hiring, no money, no jobs, etc.
    i smell 1999 all over again too!!
    lets just hope the list doesnt expire, or they extend the list for some time....that would be a nice gesture, or we will all have to go thru this stuff again....
    see all of you for the columbus test!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith1989 View Post
    finely worded letter they sent out, a nice way of saying everyone is screwed, no one is hiring, no money, no jobs, etc.
    i smell 1999 all over again too!!
    lets just hope the list doesnt expire, or they extend the list for some time....that would be a nice gesture, or we will all have to go thru this stuff again....
    see all of you for the columbus test!!!!
    Did this letter leave any wiggle room or give any reason to hope that they might do something before the list expires?

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    no. they just said the date it expired. no wiggle room, nothing looking forward, nothing anticipatory; just, sorry guys, class is cancelled for 2011, and possibly 2012.

    they had a union meeting last night, and no one knows anything, just rumors, but they concluded a contract they want to propose to the city or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith1989 View Post
    no. they just said the date it expired. no wiggle room, nothing looking forward, nothing anticipatory; just, sorry guys, class is cancelled for 2011, and possibly 2012.

    they had a union meeting last night, and no one knows anything, just rumors, but they concluded a contract they want to propose to the city or something.
    I just saw my letter in the mail when i arrived home this evening. Yeah, I heard that the union is close to finalizing the new CBA with the city. Any word on whether the union's proposal addresses staffing?

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    Anyone else signing up for Toledo's test? Never thought I'd even be thinking about it... but they might hire 25 before end of year. And they pay far better than Cleveland in academy (over $18/hr vs. $10.50/hr), veterans preference points awarded.

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    This is just an aside, but...

    When did one of the most stable and secure jobs around (i.e., career firefighter) become one of the least stable and insecure positions? When my father and great uncle worked in the fire service, the community understood that they provided an essential service for them and that as long as they worked hard everyday, they could expect to retire from that job with decent pension and benefits.

    Nowadays...it seems that firefighters are all too often the first ones on the chopping block whenever there is a fiscal downturn in the economy. Even worse, firefighters and other safety service providers are being villainized by the same public they are sworn to protect everyday.

    When did this happen...and why???

    Yet, we still pour our hearts and souls into trying to land a career into this most awesome profession - even knowing that the job security and respect factor has decreased substantially. Will the glory days ever come back again?
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    It's official...Cleveland announced today that 51 firefighters have been laid off. Over 321 total city layoffs. Tough times in C-town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarack808 View Post
    This is just an aside, but...

    When did one of the most stable and secure jobs around (i.e., career firefighter) become one of the least stable and insecure positions? When my father and great uncle worked in the fire service, the community understood that they provided an essential service for them and that as long as they worked hard everyday, they could expect to retire from that job with decent pension and benefits.

    Nowadays...it seems that firefighters are all too often the first ones on the chopping block whenever there is a fiscal downturn in the economy. Even worse, firefighters and other safety service providers are being villainized by the same public they are sworn to protect everyday.

    When did this happen...and why???

    Yet, we still pour our hearts and souls into trying to land a career into this most awesome profession - even knowing that the job security and respect factor has decreased substantially. Will the glory days ever come back again?
    When the cities, towns, townships and villages in OH didnt realize they need to consolidate to survive. Cleveland is no longer a city of 900,000 people they need to move their system of Govt away from them being the big dog.

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    I think I read somewhere that these layoffs are permanent. So, the mayor does not intend ever to bring back the firefighters and cops that were laid off? Has anyone else heard this also?

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    I'm originally from NE OH and tested at all the Cleveland suburbs I also worked for Cleveland EMS but left in '05. I worked with guys that were from the layoff of 150 guys from years ago. Cleveland is not only under financial strains but also shrinking and doesn't need the force that it has. It's hard to hear but its the truth. Don't bet on a 3 legged horse. If you have a strong desire it might be time to get out of C-town. Just to show their not the only hard pressed Houston is planning on laying off 150 guys it's hard everywhere.

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    I'm fairly high on the list for Bedford Heights and one of 50 testing for Cleveland Heights on a week from Saturday...and even with those I'm not holding my breath.
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    Mayor Frankie is a joke. He has rejected a FEMA grant of $4.5 million to avoid firefighter layoffs!! True colors are starting to show. This safety director wants a reduction in numbers to both police and fire. Free money to maintain safety services and to save firefighters jobs and the city says no thanks??? Politics over safety. How well taken care of do you feel now citizens of cleveland?

    http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011...nt_to_pay.html

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    this just aside but the news in CLE is making the City out to be a bunch of thugs. Now i will preface this by saying I don't agree with what the city goons have done and are doing. Now...

    The grant was for NEW hires not to retain firefighters. According to the news, the city contacted FEMA in the hopes of getting the wording changed but to no avail. Now, the city goons basically wanted to get the grant with no wording on keeping guys on throught the mandated 2 or 3 years (whatever it is) without layoffs. So basically they wanted the money without strings and I don't blame FEMA for denying them. Now, Cleveland kind of effed themselves since FEMA keeps track of all this stuff and it could hurt them if they apply for other grants (which they need to)

    So all in all, Cleveland goons are dumb for not preparing for this but are smart (loosly fitting term) for not taking the grant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffmedicmatt View Post
    this just aside but the news in CLE is making the City out to be a bunch of thugs. Now i will preface this by saying I don't agree with what the city goons have done and are doing. Now...

    The grant was for NEW hires not to retain firefighters. According to the news, the city contacted FEMA in the hopes of getting the wording changed but to no avail. Now, the city goons basically wanted to get the grant with no wording on keeping guys on throught the mandated 2 or 3 years (whatever it is) without layoffs. So basically they wanted the money without strings and I don't blame FEMA for denying them. Now, Cleveland kind of effed themselves since FEMA keeps track of all this stuff and it could hurt them if they apply for other grants (which they need to)

    So all in all, Cleveland goons are dumb for not preparing for this but are smart (loosly fitting term) for not taking the grant.
    ffmedicmatt...I have not posted on here for probably over a year. I just like to follow along and see what the rumors are...good or bad. I have been certified and waiting to be hired in 2 major cities for a VERY long time. I just want you to know that your banter is worthless and you are an idiot. I watch you jump from forum to forum and complain about how unfair everything is. You are NOT the only one in a tough spot. You are a vagina and you're stupid. That is all. Everyone with worthwhile information, even rumors, please continue to post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laddernhook View Post
    Mayor Frankie is a joke. He has rejected a FEMA grant of $4.5 million to avoid firefighter layoffs!! True colors are starting to show. This safety director wants a reduction in numbers to both police and fire. Free money to maintain safety services and to save firefighters jobs and the city says no thanks??? Politics over safety. How well taken care of do you feel now citizens of cleveland?

    http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011...nt_to_pay.html
    I suppose your "very well connected" to the mayor and safety director also...The last information you gave was quickly shot down by an Assistant Chief. Maybe we can call him up and see what he has to say on this one as well. I dont agree with any firefighter layoffs and hope to have a job myself soon. But I will keep trying and do what I have to do to make it. But I cant stand morons posting useless things to seem important on these or other forums. Keep your garbage to yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleverover6 View Post
    ffmedicmatt...I have not posted on here for probably over a year. I just like to follow along and see what the rumors are...good or bad. I have been certified and waiting to be hired in 2 major cities for a VERY long time. I just want you to know that your banter is worthless and you are an idiot. I watch you jump from forum to forum and complain about how unfair everything is. You are NOT the only one in a tough spot. You are a vagina and you're stupid. That is all. Everyone with worthwhile information, even rumors, please continue to post.
    how am I complaining on this being unfair??? I said that they cannot accept the grant. To me, the only part that I care about the layoffs for CFD is that I have friends that are on the dept and I do not like to see any firefighters get laid off. And as for me "jumping" from forum to forum complaining on how tough stuff is...why don't you do a little more research and find out what is behind that...maybe I have a name on a list or am looking at testing. Also, great...you're "certified" in two major cities...I don't care. Do you have a full time firefighting job then? If you don't (and no im not jumping to conclusions) then you can shut the hell up. You and I are in the same position, trying to get a job. Sorry you don't agree with my opinion. never said you had to
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    actually, rover is right. your posts have been filled with a woe is me attitude, expressing how unfair every process is, making negative remarks towards cities and their process, and touting off your 4 yours of volunteer experience over the other candidates who have moved on in the process(es).

    Perhaps your inability to move further in the hiring process is deeper seated than your resume (as is reflected by your attitude in the forums)

    Instead of taking to the defense every time someone on here mentions something to you, it might be time to open your ears and close your mouth.

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    So...because of two different testing processes I've commented on this website means I'm salty??? Well if you would take the time to read more than just my posts you would see there are more than just me who are arguing the same points. regardless I am currently on two lists and rather high on both so do I need to "open my ears" Nah I think I'm doing decent. Again sorry everyone doesn't agree with my opinion.
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    FFmedicmatt. I'm happy for you that you are rather high on two lists, I wish you luck. However, if you don't get either of the jobs please don't start a sympathy thread crying how you wanna give up hope and whatever else . Because 20 tests is nothing to take in OH.

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    I am on a full time dept and I know with that attitude ffmedicmatt will not last long before he is eating meals by himself. Believe that

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    Any updates on the layoff situation in Cleveland? Has the city brought back any of the laid off firefighters? What's the latest word (or speculation) on when all the guys will be recalled to work?
    Last edited by FIREJAWZ; 06-17-2011 at 11:15 AM.

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    no, no, and dont know.

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