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    A couple of random questions here simply for my own curiosity. I know that CFD has used black turnout gear for years now, but I was checking out some pics of recent incidents and noticed some FFs wearing yellow/tan gear. What's that all about? Again, just curious.

    Also, I saw some FFs wearing black helmets, others wearing red helmets, and still others wearing yellow helmets. There were too many of them to be rank or officer designations. Anybody have info about the different colored helmets?

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    Probably just using their old or backup gear. Black helmet = engine co, red is truck and yellow is rescue

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdd2121 View Post
    Probably just using their old or backup gear. Black helmet = engine co, red is truck and yellow is rescue
    I see. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdd2121 View Post
    next should be conditional letters of employment for those who are selected- conditional meaning pending passing medical exam and psych exams
    Any timeline on when people can expect these conditional letters to go out?

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    does anyone know if they are pulling more people in for interviews? I've been fingerprinted allready and was wondering if they have met their need or will be going furture down, i have heard nothing more to this point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarack808 View Post
    Any timeline on when people can expect these conditional letters to go out?
    What's it matter zarack? Why would you want to receive an offer from a fire department that would "malign your reputation a character?" Thats just what CFD needs, idiots trying to get the job, while helping to destroy it at the same time.

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    http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...re_depart.html

    "zarack
    Only in Cleveland could firefighters, individuals who are among the most trusted, respected, and revered professionals, manage to completely turn the public against them due to greed and the inability to self-police rogue members.
    I aspire to join the fire service one day, and I hope this opportunity comes to fruition (perhaps as a Cleveland firefighter). While I want to serve the public and be part of that brotherhood and camaraderie, I wouldn't want my reputation and character maligned just by being associated with a poorly run department.
    Hopefully, things will soon change for the better. I think it will take new blood to turn things around though."

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    I stand by my comments you highlighted from the article on cleveland.com (even though you mischaracterized my statement). I did not say that the fire department itself would malign my reputation and character. What I did say, if you were to read my comments in context, is that being a Cleveland firefighter could very well result in my character and reputation being maligned by the local public by virtue of guilt by association (in connection with the payroll abuse scandal that has been extensively covered in the news).
    The fact is that public opinion of Cleveland firefighters is not very high right now, as there is a black cloud of suspicion hovering over the entire department as a result of what appears to be improper conduct by some firefighters and the apparent of lack of accountability. The fact is that lapses in judgment by a few firefighters and overly lax management gave rise to all this news coverage and public suspicion. I value my reputation and I believe that I have strong character (something that I learned to appreciate even more from my years in military service). That I dare to mention that I might have concerns about being villainized by the very public I am charged to serve and protect does not make me a bad person. It makes me human. That does not mean I don't still have a strong desire to join the fire department and do the job with all my might. To the contrary, I'd like be the best firefighter I can possibly be and also be part of the solution to improve the department in any capacity that I can. But wanting to be part of the department doesn't mean that I can't also be honest about some of the problems it faces. If you were to poll a number of firefighters off the record, I bet if they were being honest they would tell you that they find it hard sometimes to deal with all the negativity and distrust. Especially if they're following the rules and doing what's right. Are you going to say that they should quite the department? No, that's silly. They're human (as am I) and its natural to feel some frustration in light of the current climate in the department. Frankly, I don't think most of the issues that are constantly reported on will improve long term until there is some turnover with new firefighters taking leadership. Tradition is great, and I hope to be part of a great firefighting tradition and brotherhood. But, I should say, that part of being a brother involves holding my brothers accountable and making sure that they don't engage in conduct that would reflect poorly on the whole group.

    Look, I know this was a long and drawn out post. But I felt the need to speak up for myself. I have nothing but respect for the guys on the job. I know all about the tradition. Hell, my family is from New Jersey and Chicago and we come from a deep tradition of public service there (mostly in the police force and military though).
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    Last week had a detective from CPD in my neighborhood doing a background/reference check. Showed a photo of me to my neighbors asking if they knew me and how long I lived at my residence. From what my neighbors tell me, he asked a lot of character based questions, and wanted to make sure I lived where I said I lived. I am fairly low on the list to 100 and was surprised the detective was doing a check on me. Who knows, maybe they are taking more people on then was previously thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireKracker View Post
    Last week had a detective from CPD in my neighborhood doing a background/reference check. Showed a photo of me to my neighbors asking if they knew me and how long I lived at my residence. From what my neighbors tell me, he asked a lot of character based questions, and wanted to make sure I lived where I said I lived. I am fairly low on the list to 100 and was surprised the detective was doing a check on me. Who knows, maybe they are taking more people on then was previously thought.
    Or maybe your'e wanted for murder...............haha

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    This thread has cooled off a bit after things seemed to rev up a bit a month or so ago. Anyone know or hear anything about what's happening (or not happening) with hiring?

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    Issue 119 timing, new annual budget, union contract ends 03/2013, interim chief (119 related), EMS merger... Probably largely a combination of everything I would assume

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    I have a interview Friday. I'm wondering after that wen does the good stuff starts and everything

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    If there anybody else that had there interview already if so wat is the plans for fire academy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by future fire View Post
    I have a interview Friday. I'm wondering after that wen does the good stuff starts and everything
    Did you have your background interview already, or is that what's coming up for you on Friday? Best of luck!

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    they told me my background check came back good and now i have a interview at the fire academy friday

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    I've had a pre background interview and a post background interview to go over any questions/inconsistancies. But nothing @ the academy so I can't speak to that.

    I'm hearing class of 35 in March and another 35 later in the year.

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    I had my post background interview about a month ago at the fire academy building. Like you said, basically clearing up any questions. Haven't heard anything since then. A friend of mine who works in the dept told me that the City has a certain window of time after background checks are completed to send out employment offer letters. Otherwise, if they wait too long the background checks won't be valid. He's not sure what the exact time frame is, but he thinks it's within 60 days or something.

    Regardless of the background check thing, the person who interviewed me told me that conditional offer letters have to go out before the current list expires in January. Of course, he couldn't (or wouldn't) say when he expects the City to start a class. But he speculated late winter or early spring for academy.

    Although I'm totally guessing here, I expect things to pick up fairly soon because we still have medical screenings and psych evals to go. And this must be done before January expiration date.

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    I don't believe psych evals or medicals have to be done before January. As long as they send out conditional offers prior to January, conditional meaning on the condition that one passes the psych and medical, then they are fine.

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    There is a class of 35 for spring and one for fall.....they are pick people in order based on a good background if any weed or alcohol or minor misdem. might effect your chance of gettin hired if u made it this far in the hiring process

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    Did they say when in the spring? That could be as early as March or as late as June. Do you know if there are people who have already been eliminated based on their background check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by future fire View Post
    There is a class of 35 for spring and one for fall.....they are pick people in order based on a good background if any weed or alcohol or minor misdem. might effect your chance of gettin hired if u made it this far in the hiring process
    Where did you get this info from?

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    The chief at the interview

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    any rumors? if not, make one up... I'm trying to stay interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo21 View Post
    any rumors? if not, make one up... I'm trying to stay interested
    This is coming from a credible source from within CFD...

    The city is prepared to move forward with conditional offers. However, they are still tied up in court to determine if the affirmative action quota should be ended or extended for this eligibility list. They're hoping to get a decision from the court before long. Once the court decides what to do about the quota, the city will send out conditional offers.

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    Thats good news considering courts are known for being expeditious about things...

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