Thread: FF academy - N Texas
03-15-2010, 01:23 PM #1
FF academy - N Texas
looking for a place i can obtain the schooling to get my FF cert, but I'm strictly limited to evenings / weekends. I am unable to find such a place and feel I'm left only with online... (trainingdivision.com or fireacademyonline.com). I'm afraid this is going to hinder me in the future for hiring purposes but maybe not. Do any of you know of a 'night school' type place or prefer one of the above online sources, if they're even worthwhile?
03-15-2010, 02:47 PM #2
I know a good number of guys who've gone through TDivision and gotten hired.
If that is the only way you can do it, then go for it.
03-15-2010, 03:24 PM #3
Thanks so much for the info, HMFF...
03-15-2010, 04:33 PM #4
I went through Training Division and got hired on a full time dept within about 4 months later. So did alot of the guys in my class, both US and Canada. TD is exceptional.
I highly recommend it. Online classes ARE the future of Firefighting. People are just slow to accept change.
Let me know if you have any questions.
03-15-2010, 04:52 PM #5
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as stated depts do not look much at where you gaot your cert, as long as you have, because most do a year probation, in which they show you thier way, and see if you are going to be able to do the job.
what are you going to do about your emt requirement??????????
have you checked tarrant county to see if they do night class:
http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71585 (Fire Academies in Dallas/Fort Worth Metro)
city of dallas and fort worth will hire with out certs
or get your paramedic and some cities will send you through the fire academy
03-15-2010, 05:29 PM #6
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03-15-2010, 06:10 PM #7
I have been searching like crazy for EMT training night or weekend and can't find any off hand nearby. I'm actually north of Dallas, near Sherman. It looks like that HazCo might be the ticket, in Denison pretty close to me, offering both fire and emt certs. I don't have any college at all and am afraid this might hurt me as well.
One of the things I liked about the TDivision is, through Hill College, you can obtain college credits as well for going through their course. The EMT I figured on doing at a comm. college for the credits as well and HazCo's is through Grayson community. HazCo might be the ticket though; just left them a message.
03-15-2010, 06:24 PM #8
I attended Tarrant County College "traditional" schedule basic fire academy and it was a great experience! State of the art facility and very good veteran instructors! It was almost 100 hours of additional lecture/ hands-on training than T.C.F.P requires for a basic fire cert. They do offer an evening/saturday academy. Both the T.C.C. traditional and evening fire academys cost far less than the online ones. On top of T.C.F.P. core requirements for basic fire academy cert., T.C.C. features many training scenarios/props that are not found at most other academys.
Here are some online articles about the fire academy:
Last edited by pewter98; 03-15-2010 at 06:27 PM.IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GO BE A COP!
03-15-2010, 06:43 PM #9
thanks pewter, TCC looks like a great place to attend. Looks like I missed the March cutoff... I'm going to call them tomorrow to discuss their academy with them.
I'm getting to this too late... it's after 5 and no one is answering. I'll use this thread as a compiled list and make calls tomorrow.
03-15-2010, 09:13 PM #10
Contrary to what some on these boards hope/believe, most departments DO take into consideration where and how you obtained your certs. Can online ff/emt certs. get you a job? Sure. Will the department that hired you have to spend the time to reteach you the basics of firefighting since you only had two weeks worth of hands on time? Probably!
It's better to be proficient in the basics of firefighting prior to being hired than to always be one step behind everyone else. That proficiency will pay off when the tones go off!IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GO BE A COP!
03-15-2010, 10:00 PM #11Contrary to what some on these boards hope/believe, most departments DO take into consideration where and how you obtained your certs.
I emailed the TCC rep about their courses and will be making a lot of calls tomorrow. I also have an application for volunteer work at multiple places to get that underway. Did I mention I'm 32 and working on a career change? I have my own construction company and have been self-employed straight out of high school. The economy has given me an opportunity to move towards something I've dreamed of for years and it's finally looking like it will become a reality. Unfortunately, having a large business and a nice family gives me lots of responsibility that I can't ignore at the moment. I've been working on downsizing and reducing overhead so I'm working my way there.
Pewter, thanks again for the help.
03-16-2010, 12:37 PM #12
I hope everything works out for your nephew. I went through a similar event with my grandfather last summer.
I know what your talking about having to commute long distances for your training. In my academy, we had several guys from the Plano area, one from North Dallas, and one guy that was hired by Mesquite F.D. When he was hired by Mesquite F.D., he had no prior certs., so they sent him to a nearby E.M.T.-Basic course. Then the next available fire academy starting was at T.C.C., so this guy had to commute from east of Mesquite to northwest Fort Worth 5 days a week! That was back when gas was hitting @ $4.00 a gallon!
I think the evening E.M.T.-Basic course (Tues. & Thurs. nights from aprox. 6-10 p.m.) @ T.C.C. Northeast Campus recurs each semester (Spring, Summer, Fall). But the evening/saturday fire academy at T.C.C. Northwest Campus only starts in Feb./Mar. of each year, unless they have changed it. When was attending the day-time fire academy, I learned that most of the recruits who were in the evening/saturday fire academy were about the same age as you and in the same career changing situation as yourself.
Good luck and feel free to ask any other questions you may have.
Edit: I forgot to mention that T.C.C.'s fire academy gives you the option of paying for your fire academy hours as non-credit or accredited. The cost of the non-credit fire academy tution when I attended was aprox. $790. I chose the accredited option, which was aprox. $930 and gave me 18 hours of college credit. My textbook, fire academy dress shirts, and T-shirts brought the cost to aprox. $1,020.
The number of college hours that you recieve at T.C.C.'s fire academy is less than some because other fire academys add the E.M.T.-Basic course hours into account. The E.M.T.-Basic course @ T.C.C. is totally seperate from the fire academy, though you still get college credit for it. You must show course completion from any accredited E.M.T.-Basic course before they will allow you to enroll into T.C.C.'s fire academy.
Last edited by pewter98; 03-16-2010 at 01:51 PM. Reason: Adding info.IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GO BE A COP!
03-16-2010, 01:40 PM #13
Talked with Haz Co. Their academy starts April 19th which is perfect scheduling-wise for me. It's Mon-Thurs 5:30 to 10 pm and Sat 8 to 5, so it definitely eats into my family life but it will benefit them in the long run. She mentioned the course was ran by quite a few local long time FF and a few chiefs and they have ride alongs at fire departments and require the recruits to help in some situations as well. Sounded like A LOT of hands on and mentioned that a Dallas metro trainer called to mention they produced one of the first FFs that didn't need to be sent to their own academy. They also incorporate a 2 mile run every day you're there to promote fitness and prepare you. Really sounds like a good deal, not too mention it's in my back yard.
One thing I was thinking of though is, some academies tout that you end up with FF1, FF2, HazAware and HazOp... Is this important? Sounded like the HazCo rep said when you leave, you'll be certified as firefighter 1 status or something like that. Is that a TX 'title' where some academies are using the FF1 and FF2 as selling tools or should I be looking at a course that specifies all that? Maybe I'm not getting it but it seems having a seal for FF1 and FF2 as well as the others would be beneficial over just FF1, or at the end of the day, is it just the TX fire cert that they're mostly looking for and how well you're trained?
I should add that HazCo is about 400 dollars over most others but it appears it could be worth it. Also, if I get on with at the one house I'm trying to volunteer at, they give discounts for volunteers.
03-16-2010, 02:06 PM #14
Those seals you are talking about are the International Fire Service Accreditation Congress (IFSAC) seals:
Basically, if you move to another state that participates in IFSAC, that state may accept your IFSAC seal as proof of training to the level stated on the seal. It's kind of like the E.M.S National Registry.
Any Texas Commission on Fire Protection (TCFP)-approved basic structure fire suppression training program (fire academy) will award you FF1, FF2, HazAware and HazOp upon successfully completing their commission-approved basic structure fire suppression training program, passing the commission's basic structure fire suppression examination (the state exam), and show proof of completion of required emergency medical response training.IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GO BE A COP!
03-16-2010, 03:25 PM #15
Just read where you said your academy was 1k dollars... everything i find is in the 2500 range. i want the best I can afford/schedule but dang, don't want to pay an extra 1000 or 1500 if i don't have to.
Gotchya on the IFSAC stuff now... i should have caught that.
03-16-2010, 04:51 PM #16
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for most depts in your area they require tcfp certification which requires medical certifiaction, and alot want emt -B at least, and some will not talk to you if you are not a paramedic.
•Show proof of completion of required emergency medical response training.
The third requirement in becoming eligible for basic fire suppression certification is to show proof that you have completed, at a minimum, the Department of State Health Service's (DSHS) emergency care attendant (ECA) or American Red Cross Emergency Responder (with optional lessons and enrichment sections) training. For more information about meeting the emergency response requirement, please refer to the Standards Manual, Section 423.1(b).
03-16-2010, 06:25 PM #17
cdafd, thanks for that. yessir, i have all intentions of pushing right through into all that. main thing that's been holding me up is finding the right location to work with my very hectic schedule; which leaves me to online or something night.
Haz-Co goes through the full fire academy then TCFP comes in and tests you at their facility. Afterwards, like a week off, then you roll right into the EMTB training, which is worked sponsored by the local comm college, using their instructors. So, after the deal is done, you walk away certified on both ends. Lots of hard work and busting your arse compared to an online deal but I'm more the sure it's worth it in the end. She also said, if you fail to get hired in the year's time, you can come back and get your 40 hours in at no charge for the fire cert.
Last edited by sredish; 03-16-2010 at 06:41 PM.
03-16-2010, 07:30 PM #18
cdafd49: I don't know if your from Texas and I could care less, but you really need to actually do some research to see that your information concering what goes on with Texas Fire/EMS is valid instead of copying/pasting the first thing you find off a search enigine.
I've only been in the fire service for 3 years, but I've viewed TCFP's, TML, and other F.D. job listings countless times. In that time, I've only come across ONE full-time paid firefighter job opening in Texas that would allow the applicants to apply if they only had their FF/ECA certs. That job was in a town that wasn't even on the map, paid $10/hr, and had almost no benefits.IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GO BE A COP!
03-16-2010, 08:47 PM #19
pewter, I guess I'm confused. I'm on my phone so I can't check that link right now but... I was under the impression that the tcfp is completely separate from the natl reg for emt, how can it not be valid? Or do you mean that it's not professionally valid as the tcfp cert isn't vey useful w/o the emt cert to go along? I've been searching for the past week and haven't heard anything about dshs, this is new to me. I need to get on a computer so I can figure out what that's about.
This HazCo walks you through all the testing as well. I'm worried about how much time it'll take up but it has to be worth the extra effort, having all the direct hands on.
03-16-2010, 09:09 PM #20
You are correct in that both the TCFP and NR are completely separate orginazations, but:
1. To obtain your TCFP certs., you must show proof of Texas DSHS EMT cert.
2. To initially obtain Texas DSHS EMT cert., you must first pass the National Registry exam.
*Most departments in Texas do not require you to keep renewing your NR EMT cert., but it's a good idea since you will have already gotten it.
It seems that some fire academys will let people attend without any EMS cert. Once completing the fire academy, those people are even allowed to pay the test fee and take the TCFP's state exam. But when they try to look up their certification status on TCFP's website, their status will read "No certifications are listed for _____ _______." This is due to those people not being able to show proof of completion of required emergency medical response training. They are in TCFP's database, along with their state exam test score. It's just that none of that is valid until those people can show proof of completion of required emergency medical response training.IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GO BE A COP!
03-17-2010, 08:20 AM #21
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glad to see you have done your homework and not wlaking into this blindly
03-17-2010, 08:25 AM #22
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not from texas just live here
from my previous post
"""""for most depts in your area they require tcfp certification which requires medical certifiaction, and alot want emt -B at least, and some will not talk to you if you are not a paramedic."""""
sorry I copied off the tcfp site, and know not to trust the government
fort worth takes people off the street with NO certs????
EDUCATION: High school diploma (or) GED Certificate (or) 12 semester hours from an accredited college or university.
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03-17-2010, 08:29 AM #23
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talk to HazCo and they can explian the medical cert process to you
03-17-2010, 09:16 AM #24
cdafd49: Thank you Mr. Obvious for reposting already covered info.! Just remember that most F.D. written exams do not allow internet-capable devices in the testing area, so you won't be able to copy and paste your test answers! LOL JKD
F.W.F.D. does hire applicants without prior experience or certifications. There are more fire departments in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex that will hire this way too, you just have to know where to look. Here is something to think about:
http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113438 (Why go to a basic fire academy?)
Last edited by pewter98; 03-17-2010 at 09:48 AM.IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GO BE A COP!
03-17-2010, 12:05 PM #25
damn, no internet capable devices... well, there goes that.
My issue with hiring on with no certs is 1) can't expect much pay with that, 2) you're on their schedule for training (i'm assuming) and 3) can't see how that option would work when you have a family and a very demanding business to tend to. I think the ideal scenario is to get all the training and certs necessary on your schedule, hope you get enough training to be efficient in your duties and then apply / test like mad and try to get hired as quickly as possible. Going the HazCo route, i'll start with 0 and finish with my FF and EMTB certs (as long as I can pass the exams of course but thats on me) and hopefully enough training to stand out from the rest a little.
Maybe it's my business mind coming out but I'm very nearly OCD with soaking up information, especially when it involves big life changing decisions (which i have to make regularly in my business). I want to know every aspect of every angle and have no dead spots or areas that don't quite get; that will drive me nuts until I know. The internet is perfect for people like me and I'm very good at knowning nothing about a subject, educating myself overnight and quickly becoming proficient in it becasue we have to be adaptable.
I'd like to go back to the DSHS forms for a second. As stated earlier, I've been scouring everything and this is really the first I've read about that. Is the DSHS EMT cert technically the license to allow you to work as an EMT, like you pass the exam, register with NREMT and then apply for your DSHS to begin working as EMT in TX?
Lastly, once hired (or even when remaining unhired), what continued education to maintain licensing is required? I'm sure this is in the forums as well but I find when searching, I get a lot of unrelated stuff. I know when unhired, you must maintain 40 hours a year, but when hired the depts cover that for you. What about EMT, do you simply take one of the refreshers or is there something else mandated?
After I get the certs, I know me, I'll be wanting to press forward as hard as possible. Was considering working on obtaining a few more certs like Driver/Operator and maybe for my own benefit, ACLS. Am I missing something (other than medic) that will help propel me forward or stand out a little more? Medic is a possibility but I want to see how things unfold in the EMTB and get hours there first. How much schooling time is needed to reach medic once you've obtained EMT?
Last edited by sredish; 03-17-2010 at 12:07 PM.
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