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    Default SCBA Replacement for 2010 AFG

    For those of you who have attended a 2010 AFG Workshop (or those of you who are privy to an early copy of the 2010 PG), are there any changes to the criteria for replacing SCBA or will the current policy continue -- i.e., AFG will only replace SCBA that pre-date the 1997 edition of NFPA 1981.

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    here's the statement from the 2009 PG

    The criteria development panel recommended that DHS only consider replacing old, inoperable SCBA and/or upgrading older SCBAs to the new standard within a region if proper justification was provided. Specifically, they recommended that DHS not consider replacement of SCBA that is compliant to the 1997 Edition of NFPA 1981 nor the 2002 Edition of NFPA 1981. The criteria development panel also recommended, and DHS agreed, that due to the limited funding available for grants and the recent change in SCBA standards (the 2007 Edition of NFPA 1981), DHS will not consider requests for regional projects that involve wholesale replacement of SCBA within a region.

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    With proper justification, 1997 edition SCBA have been replaced.

    Older obviously higher priority; nothing noted in the slideshow about a change this year that I'm aware of.

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    From the workshop SCBA prior to the '97 edition have the highest priority. As Sly pointed proper justification is needed to replace '97 edition. '97 SCBA have been replaced with successful grants.

    The criteria development team made a recommendation not to replace '97, but it's not a harden fast rule.

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    USDA Rural Dev will grant $ to replace SCBA without regard to age/NFPA edition. Not going to get 95% but if it's a project you need it may be an avenue. Right now they have a lot of $ from the porkulus bill which is unusual.

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    Lower call volume departments have had their 97 edition packs pulled from awards if they were in the 1998-2001 age range. But if explained that they were built in 1997 and use/abuse documented along with repair bills they were replaced. Higher call volume means more calls and use, so many with 80+ structure fires in a year got their 1997 manufactured 1997 edition packs replaced. 2002s were pulled, and in some cases the upgrade kits were too. We've had some go through with the 2002-7 upgrade, some not.

    This year will be the same thing, pre-97 edition will take priority, 1997 year manufacture packs could be replaced since they're going to be 14 by the time the award comes, and nothing newer replaced. Possibly upgraded but also a big maybe there for most.

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    What about the situation that we talked about for the neighbors I am writing replacement for? Packs bought in 1998-99. Surviveair(technically doesn't exist anymore). They leak. No, hud or RIT. Basically a pile of junk.
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    '99 puts them at 11 years, still under what many others are trying to replace.

    If you have justification (such as what you pointed out), it's possible to fund them. Call volume will most definately come into play for this type of request.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlandfordFire View Post
    What about the situation that we talked about for the neighbors I am writing replacement for? Packs bought in 1998-99. Surviveair(technically doesn't exist anymore). They leak. No, hud or RIT. Basically a pile of junk.
    Alot of '97 edition SCBA have been successfully replaced. The key will be to sell it in the narrative. Survivair is a great example of some of the ones I helped with getting replaced. The company went a different route to meet the '07 edition; came out with a new SCBA all together vs. upgrading.

    Things to mention in the narrative.

    1) Upgrading is not an option.

    2) The manufacturer developed a whole new SCBA to meet the '07 edition.

    3) How long will the company service the current units or provide replacement parts.

    4) If equipped with "elephant trunks" are a snag hazard.

    5) No interoperability with Mutual Aid departments.

    6) Are they passing yearly testing?

    7) Are or have they failed at an inappropriate time?

    8) How much is it costing them to maintain?

    Just to list a few.

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    NEIOA what is the USDA Rural Dev grant opportunity? We are also looking into replacing our MSA's and I would be interested in any assistance.

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