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    We just witnessed the House telling us that we do not know whats best for us.

    We did not elect Obama to get this healthcare bill passed. If he had run on this and we knew it, he never would have been elected.

    We, the American Public, were just told to go suck eggs because we're too stupid to know whats best for ourselves.

    (sorry for posting this here)

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    Mr. Speaker I make a motion to have this post moved to the off duty forums.

    Do I have a second?

    but until I do get a second, I'm pretty sure that anyone who voted for Mr. Obama knew this was a top priority and that it would get done no matter what the public said.




    (I didn't vote for him)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jam24u View Post
    We just witnessed the House telling us that we do not know whats best for us.

    We did not elect Obama to get this healthcare bill passed. If he had run on this and we knew it, he never would have been elected.

    We, the American Public, were just told to go suck eggs because we're too stupid to know whats best for ourselves.

    (sorry for posting this here)
    Jam; I have been watching that all evening. It is a shame what is going to happen to the tax payers. “Tax payers as in the ones that work and pay taxes” The Dems just thumbed their nose at the America people. Everyone believes that something should be done about Health insurance costs. Out of all the debates that I heard for or against the bill, no one mentioned that the insurance companies set the price that hospitals and doctors charge. No one. Do they not know that? I could go on but this is not the place.

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    I can't even begin to express my feelings. I just can't believe that some of the public still thinks that this is a good idea.

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    And the Communism begins. Good luck to everyone.

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    Until it gets moved to the off-duty side....

    What's funny is Dems kept saying they're doing it for the working people. But those 32 million without coverage are mostly not working. And like any tax it ends up hitting the working folks the most since all companies raise prices to pay the taxes but not salaries to go along with it. So all people end up paying more, working or not. It's now a $2 difference between buying 2 half-gallons of milk and a 1 gallon container of the same milk. And it's still $6 that way! Remember to work hard everyone, freeloaders are depending on us for their healthcare....

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    Perhaps the new congress that takes office after the November elections will start work immediately to repeal this farce of a healthcare plan.

    You would think after the most recent elections that they would realize the people of this country are sick of their crap.

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    Those who will benefit from this have "no skin in the game". I'd be for it if I didnt have to pay for it, but being a hard working American, this Gov't does nothing to help me....except the DHS grants. Thank God they still have their heads about them.

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    I simply loved the statement by Nancy Pelosi when she said you just have to vote for the bill to find out what's in it!!!! I am TOTALLY amazed at the arrogance of the elected officials. Typically, I try to maintain continuity in Washington by not doing a wholesale dumping of the incumbents, but this simply goes to prove it's time to eliminate the career politicians.

    The other aggravating part of this is that this legislation does NOT apply to our elected officials. They keep their Cadillac, err, no Mercedes plan. I am waiting for the announcement from my employer that they will be terminating health care and that all of the employees will be expected to sign up for the Federal Plan!

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    OK, I'll admit I'm not the most educated when it comes to the legislative process, but weren't the Republicans threatening a philabuster on this bill? What ever happened to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    OK, I'll admit I'm not the most educated when it comes to the legislative process, but weren't the Republicans threatening a philabuster on this bill? What ever happened to that?
    As I understood it, a change of rules was what that vote was addressing before the acutal health bill vote took place.

    I wanted to know who that last 220th vote was just before the closeout was done. The one who voted against it and then jumped ship at the very last moment so he wouldn't face the wrath of the administration and Pelosi. What a weasel.

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    House can't filibuster anything... That is a rule for the Senate. Senate republicans can't filibuster anything because they lack the super majority required to stop a move for cloture. In other words... This whole mess is on the other team and not the republicans.

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    Friends, This is not the change that people expected. We must deal with the reality of this and focus on the future. (Get rid of them)

    The majority fo the people understood what happened and are rightly outraged by this.

    Aslo the will of the people is of no concern to these elected officials. The will of the people is something to be crushed according to them. We are all too stupid to know what's best for us.

    The American people is something to be crushed now. I promise you very soon Amnesty for illegal aliens will happen again.

    Remember, when it comes to the next elections, we must remove these commies who hate America.

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    One of the sad things about this is that I'm all for healthcare reform. However, the right healthcare reform.

    Reform medicaid, as it's broken and all of us that work EMS know it. I once transported a toothache two blocks on a clear sunny night because he had his "Missouri Mastercard". Despite my best efforts of documenting, we were refused payment. Even when the ambulance did get paid by Medicaid, it was $75 max, even if it was a $600+ bill. Guess who pays the balance?

    Reform Medicare, as it's broken as well. If I remember right, those on disability recieve Medicare, including the elderly. While I dion't have as big of a problem with our tax dollars paying for the elderly and disabled, I know a LOT of people on disability that would have no problem finding a job.

    Reform insurance regulations. While I understand a lot of our expense for insurance is because that's where healthcare providers make up the difference for Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements, there are a lot of problems in that sector.

    Nip the nurses organizations that are driving up the cost of those positions. I'm all for a free market system, but I've also seen the nurses organizations block attempts for hospitals to put paramedics or other trained personnel into open nursing slots because there is a nursing shortage. While I don't know that medics belong on some of the floors, they are a very valuable asset in the ER and are more than happy to work for less than $20/hour.

    Put politicians on the same plan everyone else is expected to have! There is NO reason why our elected officials should have a better healthcare plan than the citizens they represent.

    That's just where I'd start.

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    I wouldn't say they hate America, I'd say they are using/abusing the freedoms we have in order to just benefit themselves instead of the greater good. Laws will never replace ethical and moral behavior or force it upon someone when we all still have the will and ability to choose for ourselves. Even many without insurance right now didn't want the bill since it removes the ability to free choice. Charging a citizen for not having healthcare by their own free will doesn't sound like freedom of choice to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    I wouldn't say they hate America, I'd say they are using/abusing the freedoms we have in order to just benefit themselves instead of the greater good. Laws will never replace ethical and moral behavior or force it upon someone when we all still have the will and ability to choose for ourselves. Even many without insurance right now didn't want the bill since it removes the ability to free choice. Charging a citizen for not having healthcare by their own free will doesn't sound like freedom of choice to me.
    It isn't freedom. Their primary goal is not larger government, its a larger Democratic Party. They need us dependant on the government for everything and they believe lying is proper if its in their interests. Look at the justifications they gave when caught about Global Warming. It was right to falsify data.

    This is getting out of control.

    I'm done for awhile now.

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    And that's why they're going to get slammed come November. Nothing was bi-partisan, right down to the lie at election time about everything in the health care debate being open and "no closed door meetings".

    I need to file the paperwork to create my American Middle Party, the only one open-minded enough to consider both sides of a position in a level-headed manner. But would be a waste of money, can't get anywhere in politics with scruples and ethics...

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    Am I wrong, or is this a fire service grant forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jam24u View Post
    We did not elect Obama to get this healthcare bill passed. If he had run on this and we knew it, he never would have been elected.

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    Careful with that "we" stuff....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini View Post
    Am I wrong, or is this a fire service grant forum?
    Grant writers can't talk politics? Besides, where do you think they're going to find the money to pay for this stuff? AFG may be a prime target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini View Post
    Am I wrong, or is this a fire service grant forum?
    No, you are correct. This is a forum dedicated to helping people get federal government handouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornwallfire View Post
    No, you are correct. This is a forum dedicated to helping people get federal government handouts.
    I understand some think it is a government handout. Trouble is for many of us, it is our taxes going to help those that always have their hand out. Government funding per capita would be a great demographic to look at and reverse.

    Anyway, ours is not a handout but handup and why do we do it? Someone on the outside could misunderstand. The reason why we grantwriters do this is because of the flood of regulations and codes that are overwhelming the fire service industry.

    If the government wants these departments that exist on practically nothing to become compliant to THEIR demands, then they have to offer to help financially.

    That is why I do not feel any conflict for making applications for support for my department and mutual aid association. They keep telling me I gotta have this and that and report this and get certified in that to even exist to help my fellow man. Well then those making the demands have to help.

    Just about bet you those that have real problems with us having problems with this legislation are probably involved with labor.

    And remember that this legislation had nothing to do with healthcare. This is opening the door for more control over us and we are going to have to reverse this in November, but watch out till then.

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    Hate to go political but......I have no problem taking this money. Why? Last year our government promised the Palistinians close to a billion dollars. Yep, the same people who danced in the streets on 9/11 when 343 of our brothers were vaporized received more money than the American fire service! WTF.

    If our government can willy nilly give away our hard earn money to people who'd just assume see us dead, then I have no problem taking that money and using it to help save a lives on our soil.

    OK I FEEL BETTER.

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    Everyone keeps saying that the conservatives never did anything when they had power. Maybe government isnt supposed to do stuff like healthcare.

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    As an old timer use to say to me when he got mad about something,” It makes my axx crave buttermilk” He is long gone now but I will always remember him. I asked someone not to long ago that as the old timers that I respect, the old timers that worked hard and raised there kids the same way, and a hand shake was there bond, what is going to happen to this great county because those kind of people are not begin replaced. Well I think I see what kind of people that is running this great land, seen it very clearly this weekend. The fall elections are going to be very interesting and probably another record turnout. My family paid more than their share of blood to keep our country free and I am sure they are others in the same boat here but what is going on in this country now is not what they died for. As Forest Gump would say, “And that’s all I got to say about that”

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