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    Default This didn't do any good under Bush, Why Would Obama do it?

    Obama energy plan would open Atlantic and Gulf drilling

    I just think this is Hysterical. Can't wait to hear the liberal spin on this one. Under Bush off drilling was bad and the suggestion of doing it was ludicrous; Suddenly it is a great one as spoken by the new messiah. Of course it doesn't go far enough, open up ALL off-shore drilling. Once again we have half a solution form the President.

    So far all he has accomplished is driving this country further into debt and closer to the edge. And trust me, I know all about that edge.


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    If I remember, Bush lifted the executive orders that restricted drilling, but congress wouldn't repeal the necessary regulations.

    I thought it was a good idea under Bush and it's still a good idea under Obama. Maybe congress will go along with it this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eng34FF View Post
    If I remember, Bush lifted the executive orders that restricted drilling, but congress wouldn't repeal the necessary regulations.

    I thought it was a good idea under Bush and it's still a good idea under Obama. Maybe congress will go along with it this time.
    I will say one thing, this is good change for once.

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    I don't know about our collective congreesscritters so write them and tell them what you want on this issue.
    I'm pretty sure the media will go along with anything the Annointed One wishes to do.If HE wants it,it must be a good thing.
    I like what one woman interviewed on CBS the other night said about opening up offshore drilling:"It's a natural resource,it's for our use and if we don't use it,another country could come in and take it from us."

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    I don't know about our collective congreesscritters so write them and tell them what you want on this issue.
    I'm pretty sure the media will go along with anything the Annointed One wishes to do.If HE wants it,it must be a good thing.
    I like what one woman interviewed on CBS the other night said about opening up offshore drilling:"It's a natural resource,it's for our use and if we don't use it,another country could come in and take it from us."
    There is an online poll on CNN. 65% of the people agree with the decision, under Bush it was just the opposite. Shows you just what the sheep of the democratic party are made of. They blindly follow their chosen leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    There is an online poll on CNN. 65% of the people agree with the decision, under Bush it was just the opposite. Shows you just what the sheep of the democratic party are made of. They blindly follow their chosen leaders.
    Yeah, that's what it shows.

    Is it possible that maybe some people changed their minds after getting more informed on the issue or some other factor changing?

    Is it possible that since CNN probably didn't poll the exact same people as before, they got a different response?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    Yeah, that's what it shows.

    Is it possible that maybe some people changed their minds after getting more informed on the issue or some other factor changing?

    Is it possible that since CNN probably didn't poll the exact same people as before, they got a different response?
    When was the polling done under Bush? 1 year ago, 2 years, 4 years?

    Was it done before the economy tanked or after? Are people okay with drilling if it could create jobs, and create more income?

    Was it done before oil hit $$$$$ a while back or after?

    Could this last winter season have anything to do with it? The weather made more people sceptical of global warming and there might be less reservations about using fossil fuels now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMedic049 View Post
    Yeah, that's what it shows.

    Is it possible that maybe some people changed their minds after getting more informed on the issue or some other factor changing?

    Is it possible that since CNN probably didn't poll the exact same people as before, they got a different response?
    Actually, it is a CNN online poll. Typically CNN carries a liberal audience; this shows in the results of the on line polls. Ever hear the phrase "Drill baby Drill"? Liberals are appalled and put off by it. WHY?? Because it was an ultra conservative who said it. Liberals are just sheep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    When was the polling done under Bush? 1 year ago, 2 years, 4 years?

    Was it done before the economy tanked or after? Are people okay with drilling if it could create jobs, and create more income?

    Was it done before oil hit $$$$$ a while back or after?

    Could this last winter season have anything to do with it? The weather made more people sceptical of global warming and there might be less reservations about using fossil fuels now.
    If you recall, Bush rescinded the executive order banning off shore drilling. This occurred simultaneously with oil prices peaking. Since then oil prices have gone from $140 a barrel down to around $30 and now back up to around $85. FYI, I'm guessing at the $30 price. The economy tanked when gas prices went over $4 a gallon; Coincidence?

    Also, the Global Warming fad is fading fast. Seems that alarmist theory after theory is being debunked. That along with the exposure of the fraudulent and biased research done by the alarmist is killing the movement. So yes, perhaps people are waking up to the fact that the AGW hysteria was just another Chicken little attempt at "the sky is falling".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Actually, it is a CNN online poll. Typically CNN carries a liberal audience; this shows in the results of the on line polls. Ever hear the phrase "Drill baby Drill"? Liberals are appalled and put off by it. WHY?? Because it was an ultra conservative who said it. Liberals are just sheep.
    Yeah, I know it was a CNN online poll, I read that in your post. Care to respond to what I actually wrote instead of spewing more of your ramblings.

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    Speaking of sheep, there were several on this very forum shouting Hosannas to Bush for repealing the ban on drilling and giving him credit for dropping the price of oil. FLASH!! its now 1 1/2 years later and oil has rebounded from a low of $30 to $84. Since the oil off the continental USA is a heck of a lot cheaper to find and produce, any of these brilliant economists on here want to predict when oil will plummet based on the Presidential pronouncement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Speaking of sheep, there were several on this very forum shouting Hosannas to Bush for repealing the ban on drilling and giving him credit for dropping the price of oil. FLASH!! its now 1 1/2 years later and oil has rebounded from a low of $30 to $84. Since the oil off the continental USA is a heck of a lot cheaper to find and produce, any of these brilliant economists on here want to predict when oil will plummet based on the Presidential pronouncement?
    BL, don't confuse people so easily. I made the same statements that the two weren't remotely connected and was pilloried for being ignorant of the commodity markets. All I asked was for the name of a commodity broker who was recommending buy or sell positions for an event that was ten years away. No one ever came forward.

    But they were absolutely certain the price of gas plummetted because of Bush's actions. Reduced demand had nothing to do with it.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Also, the Global Warming fad is fading fast. Seems that alarmist theory after theory is being debunked. That along with the exposure of the fraudulent and biased research done by the alarmist is killing the movement. So yes, perhaps people are waking up to the fact that the AGW hysteria was just another Chicken little attempt at "the sky is falling".

    Can you show links to the scientific research showing global warming theory being "debunked?"

    My father is a climatologist for NOAA and my Brother-in-law works for the National Snow and Ice Data Center. They both believe the theory and I'm guessing are a lot more educated on the matter than you are. So, please provide me with the links to reputable research showing how fake it is.

    BTW, I'm a liberal who supports myself and my family with oil money from all of the major players around the world. I supported offshore drilling under Bush, and I continue to support it under Obama, though it needs to be done responsibly and as part of a comprehensive plan to move towards ending our dependency on a quickly evaporating energy supply. I do not support drilling in ANWR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Speaking of sheep, there were several on this very forum shouting Hosannas to Bush for repealing the ban on drilling and giving him credit for dropping the price of oil. FLASH!! its now 1 1/2 years later and oil has rebounded from a low of $30 to $84. Since the oil off the continental USA is a heck of a lot cheaper to find and produce, any of these brilliant economists on here want to predict when oil will plummet based on the Presidential pronouncement?
    Lets not be simple. When Bush announced his intent to expand production of domestic oil, the smart people in business BELIEVED HIM. Knew he intended to do what he said. The oil speculators headed for the door (see Soros and Co). Oil futures collapsed.

    Flash forward. Obama announces same and the world laughs at him. Again. Pathetically obvious attempt by the children to turn around his poll numbers. That the entire thing is a load of BS is crystal clear. Even you note that oil futures did NOT drop at all. The market doesn't believe anything the Obama says that would be intelligent and capitalistic. If Obama's mouth is moving, he is reading Soros words off a teleprompter.

    He announces a new marxist plan, that they believe and respond accordingly. Oil prices are not going to "plummet" until Obama announces his next economic destroying socialist "progressive" program. It's coming. What will it be next?

    Obviously drilling the 1st new US offshore production well will begin sometime after the 1st new US greenfield Nuc power plant goes into operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firetacoma1 View Post
    Can you show links to the scientific research showing global warming theory being "debunked?"..
    Have you been asleep for the last 6 months?



    BTW, I'm a liberal .... I do not support drilling in ANWR.
    NOOOOOO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    Have you been asleep for the last 6 months?



    NOOOOOO!
    Have you been watching Fox News or talking first-hand to scientists in the climate field?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firetacoma1 View Post
    Have you been watching Fox News or talking first-hand to scientists in the climate field?
    Why?Does it matter which news people watch to get their information?Does one network provide more information in YOUR opinion than others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Speaking of sheep, there were several on this very forum shouting Hosannas to Bush for repealing the ban on drilling and giving him credit for dropping the price of oil. FLASH!! its now 1 1/2 years later and oil has rebounded from a low of $30 to $84. Since the oil off the continental USA is a heck of a lot cheaper to find and produce, any of these brilliant economists on here want to predict when oil will plummet based on the Presidential pronouncement?
    Yes, there were also those who said Bush was responsible for $4.00 per gallon gasoline. There are also those who think that the government can control the prices of things and hence the economy. There were those who thought that Under Bush it was a bad idea, yet the sheep now think it is a good idea. Time will tell if this has any impact. I also suspect that the markets aren't taking Barrack seriously on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firetacoma1 View Post
    Can you show links to the scientific research showing global warming theory being "debunked?"

    My father is a climatologist for NOAA and my Brother-in-law works for the National Snow and Ice Data Center. They both believe the theory and I'm guessing are a lot more educated on the matter than you are. So, please provide me with the links to reputable research showing how fake it is.

    BTW, I'm a liberal who supports myself and my family with oil money from all of the major players around the world. I supported offshore drilling under Bush, and I continue to support it under Obama, though it needs to be done responsibly and as part of a comprehensive plan to move towards ending our dependency on a quickly evaporating energy supply. I do not support drilling in ANWR.
    You can start here Global Warming Hoax. Then you can start reading the research papers if you have access to them that shows much of what he alarmists are saying is false. The recent release of the documents form the UK lab came right out and stated they were fudging the numbers. Part of the problem is that there is no real definition of what a global temperature is. And look at Antarctica. The tell you the ice shelves are melting and breaking off. What they don't tell you is that the overall Ice Mass is increasing. You might also want to venture over to Steve Malloys (a PHd) site Junk Science. There are numerous other research papers that challenge folks like Hansen and Gore. What is really interesting is the lack of openness and secrecy that comes from the alarmist camps.

    Curious, Why do you not support drilling in the ANWR? The Canadians are drilling up in that area, why not the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firetacoma1 View Post
    Have you been watching Fox News or talking first-hand to scientists in the climate field?
    Myself, I watch CNN, then FOX, and if a story interest me I do the research to find out the truth. What you find is CNN and the mainstream tilt things severely to the left and leave things out. Fox tends to bring to light the things the guys on the other side leave out and then embellishes a bit.

    But listen, look at the ice core data, it shows the same pattern going on the the last 1,000,000 years. What we are seeing right now is nothing different. And if you take a very close look at the ice core data you will find periods of time where CO2 is dropping and temperatures are rising. I suspect at his point in time there is enough data to actually do a Fourier analysis to reveal the frequencies buried in the data. You will find one that is around 130,000 years. There are others in there also which gives the sawtooth waveform shape. In another few thousand years will we begin our decent into another glacial period in which half of North America will once again be buried in ice.

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