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View Poll Results: What is the reason for making Firefighting jobs not available to US Nationals?

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  • Good will gesture from US companies by opening job opportunities to Foreign Nationals?

    1 5.26%
  • Cannot find enough US national FFs to work in Afghanistan?

    1 5.26%
  • Low bid the contract and now trying to cut costs?

    7 36.84%
  • Save on paying expat dollars for a higher profit?

    15 78.95%
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  1. #1
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    Angry NOT AVAILABLE TO U.S. NATIONALS - FFing jobs in Afghanistan

    Did anyone else see the job postings on DoDfire.com for Crew chiefs and Firefighters in Afghanistan? Did you also read the caption "NOT AVAILABLE TO U.S. NATIONALS"?

    Is this the final nail in the coffin for contract fire protection for expats? I am fully aware that LN and TCNs have been used and are currently used on contracts as I have assisted in two local national fire academies on two separate contracts in two different countries, but it has never gotten to the point where you as an US national were not allowed to apply.

    The posting company would not even expose their name.....

    Sound off, your thoughts, concerns?

    http://www.dodfire.com/JOBS/Afghanistan_CC.pdf

    http://www.dodfire.com/JOBS/Afghanistan_FF.pdf


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    I find it funny that the person soliciting these positions has a gmail address.

    If they can not list their business name, their name or have a professional email with website...then it is most likely bogus.

    However, I will tell you what I think this is about.

    Anyone familiar with contracting knows that when a bid (RFP) is released, all kinds of companies start accepting/advertising for the positions. They will represent that they have the contract or they will say it is a pending contract.

    Newbies get hosed by this all the time, thinking they have a job and then another company gets it and guess what...no job!

    This is because part of the submission process is a requirement where the company must provide a list of qualified candidates they will use if awarded the contract.

    Anyways, the NATO contract on the largest base in southern Afghanistan is up for bid. The RFP was released April 1st and it is calling for a merger of Fire and EMS services. The current Fire contract held by ATCO will end in September and IAP holds the EMS contract.

    There is going to be a lot of posturing int he coming months as this is a HUGE contract especially with the merger of the two services.

    Obviously, TCNs are cheaper. the more you have ready to go, the better proposal they can submit and possibly win the contract.

    In my opinion, this ad is placed by some company not familiar with contracting or not a big dog in the fight.

    All the FOB FD's are manned by ITT, there are still some KBR floating around. The other larger bases are still run by the military, Kandahar is the largest base with civilian Fire and EMS.

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    Those ads appear to been partly copied and pasted off other companies job postings. They are poorly written.

    Reminds me a few years ago a company had a simliar posting but accepting US applicants. Their email was an hotmail account. I inquired about not having a company email and their answer was "we are still establishing our company and building our applicant base". Now they are in Kuwait so apparently it worked.

    The listed qualifications for these jobs appear to be too much for non-US nationals to have such as, NPQS.

    I could be wrong....
    Thank you to the brave men and women of our great military, past, present and future for allowing my right to express my opinion and my opinion only, not representation of any company I may work for.

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    Default looks like it is DynCorp doing the non US hiring.

    http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?p=25774996

    Seeking Technicians and Supervisors For DynCorp Int.

    Candidate Requirements:
    Minimum of 5 years experience in one of the available occupations
    Technical training certificate or proven experience
    Experience managing multiple tasks while working in a stress environment
    English is required and will vary with position from Level 1-5.
    Current Passport

    Occupations Available:

    Crane Operator
    Bulldozer Operator
    Quality Control Supervisor
    Quality Control Lead
    Quality Control Technician
    Forklift Operator
    Equipment Operator
    Vehicle Maintenance Foreman
    Fire Crew Chief
    Firefighter
    General Labor Foreman
    Labor Foreman
    General Laborer
    Document Specialist
    Work Control Supervisor
    Chef
    Chef Butcher
    Butcher
    Cook
    Food Service Sanitation Supervisor
    Food Service Skilled Laborer
    Food Service Unskilled Laborer
    Salad Maker
    Sandwich Bar Attendant
    Second Baker
    Head Baker
    Head Salad Maker
    Ice Cream Attendant
    Lead Cook
    Pot Washer
    Waiter
    Warehouse Foreman
    Warehouseman
    Tent Repair Foreman
    Quality Control Supervisor
    Quality Control Lead
    Quality Control Technician
    Forklift Operator
    Equipment Operator
    Vehicle Maintenance Foreman
    Heavy Truck Driver
    Heavy Vehicle Operator
    Recovery Driver
    Tire Shop Mechanic
    Fuels Operator
    Administrative Assistant
    Cargo Document Specialist
    Data Entry Clerk
    Tool Room Clerk
    Materials Control Clerk
    Materials Control Specialist
    Movement Control Mid. Coordinator
    Power Generation Foreman
    Generator Mechanic
    Hazmat Specialist
    HVAC Mechanic
    Laboratory Technician
    Laundry Attendant
    Laundry Lead
    MHE Foreman
    Movement Control Coordinator
    Plumber
    ROWPU Operator
    Water Purification Foreman
    Stores Technician
    Morale Welfare Recreation Foreman
    Morale Welfare Recreation Technician
    FACC Specialist
    Security Technician

    Qualified candidates should forward CVs/Resumes in ENGLISH Only via email with the Title of the Occupation applying for, Last Name and First Name in the email SUBJECT line, for example, LAUNDRY LEAD, METEVSKI, DARKO, to dicarfaro@gmail.com. Candidate CVs/Resumes will be carefully screened, and those selected by the screening team will be contacted via email and/or phone for an interview for further consideration.
    Benefits will be discussed upon selection.

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    Default Hmmmm

    Having applied to many U.S Companies in both Iraq and Afghanistan as a Canadian and being told that they only hire U.S citizens was frustrating! But I landed a job with a Canadian company providing fire protection for a large NATO base, This Company Hired any nationality as long as they where qualified including Americans, Canadians, Brits, Aussie's to name a few. I guess some find it hard to be on the other side of the fence, U.S companies Overseas regularly only offer positions to Americans. I guess it only seems fair if your on the right side of the fence. I think that these positions should be open to the best qualified applicant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by firersq233 View Post
    Having applied to many U.S Companies in both Iraq and Afghanistan as a Canadian and being told that they only hire U.S citizens was frustrating! But I landed a job with a Canadian company providing fire protection for a large NATO base, This Company Hired any nationality as long as they where qualified including Americans, Canadians, Brits, Aussie's to name a few. I guess some find it hard to be on the other side of the fence, U.S companies Overseas regularly only offer positions to Americans. I guess it only seems fair if your on the right side of the fence. I think that these positions should be open to the best qualified applicant!
    And will ATCO be employing you past September?

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    I don't think they will, I left for bigger and better things last year. But lets hope that who ever wins the contract will open the positions to any citizen of a NATO country.

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    Default TCN's

    hey firstable i would to say that if companys want to hire qualified and certied tcns , its ok , i understand you guys seems this like a threat but is not, i am TCn fire fighter and i do my job pretty well, i was in the world contract for 6 years and in that short time i became driver operator and that is for my capacity not for my time , remember eficiency measures with capacity not for time .
    the way i see it , its a good thing for us and for you guys as well , due to we can learn from each other .

    thats its all i have to say .
    the fab dog
    Last edited by fabdog; 07-08-2010 at 12:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firersq233 View Post
    Having applied to many U.S Companies in both Iraq and Afghanistan as a Canadian and being told that they only hire U.S citizens was frustrating! But I landed a job with a Canadian company providing fire protection for a large NATO base, This Company Hired any nationality as long as they where qualified including Americans, Canadians, Brits, Aussie's to name a few. I guess some find it hard to be on the other side of the fence, U.S companies Overseas regularly only offer positions to Americans. I guess it only seems fair if your on the right side of the fence. I think that these positions should be open to the best qualified applicant!
    Hi, guys!
    firersq233 would you like to name that company?I'm not an U.S. citizen and I'm interested in a company who hires firefighters from around the world.Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sci_fi_ro View Post
    Hi, guys!
    firersq233 would you like to name that company?I'm not an U.S. citizen and I'm interested in a company who hires firefighters from around the world.Thank you!
    Did you read? I named it, he said he left them.

    If you are not Philippino or Sri Lankan...good luck with them! And even those guys are leaving for better wages and better conditions!

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    Default Thanks.

    OK, I may be blind!
    I have to say that even if I am an EU citizen as a military firefighter I get a monthly paycheck from the government for the astonishing wage of 450 $.If you would be in my boots I'm sure you would not use the Philipino example anymore!

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    hey anyone have an idea whats going on with the contractors in africa , its there going to be any good or what?

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    Default There are plenty of jobs available

    There are plenty of open positions currently in Afghanistan. Go to my website to see some of them. I am working on a comprehensive list and will update every monday with the most current.

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