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    After reading these, maybe the grass really isn't greener. They only rule is to not leave your first-due for food. We are encouraged to get out in the public. Our district does not have a grocery store so as the LT, I have come up with a solution. We work 48/96 schedule. Each member (4) brings one meal and we switch off bringing breakfast. We also switch off bringing a lunch or a dinner. There are no rules other than try to keep it around $20. This keeps the "cheepies" from bringing in Top Ramen abd the other from complaining that they brought lobster the tour before.

    I really do like this since I really hate going to the store.


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    We can got out for lunch. The only real restriction is stay in your 1st Alarm area, and be readily available to respond to a run.

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    The one thing that always amazes me is when people say to us in the store "What am I buying you to eat today?" The misconception that the city pays for our meals is one I truly enjoy clearing up and it genereally leads to other topics that we can educate the public on.

    As long as we remain in our city we can go shopping for meals or run other errands. We must remain In Service and Available for calls of course.

    I guess if the citizens see firefighters eating while on duty as a problem perhaps we should bargain rotating 30 minute dinner breaks where companies are out of service and off the clock so we can eat our meals undisturbed. As if that would ever happen!!
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    Your always gonna have that crabby Mrs. Smith who will call and complain about the slightest things, But getting out in your zone not only allows you to be more familiar with your district ( we come across little things all the time while out grabbing food that could have a potential impact on a fire or other emergency) You also get out to the people you serve and fight the other fires ,ignorance. Get to know your people, educate them one french fry order at a time. Let them know what you do besides sit around and play Xbox, invite them to come watch you train or to come by the station and take a tour, Let them know that you are at the station for 24 hours and have to cook all your own meals that sometimes you don't get a chance to eat at all that you have no scheduled lunch breaks. And when they see you leave the table after 2 bites of food..... Maybe just maybe you won a small battle.

    If you hold up in your fortress the entire shift and keep the draw bridge up (bay door closed) how are people suppose to know what you actually do? they are gonna continue to think that all you do is sit in the action ready chairs and sleep all day, and when the time comes to vote whether you get funding for a new truck or plant 200, $1200 palm trees in the medians maybe you'll get a new truck instead.

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    It is sad that we have to have an SOP/SOG for everything now, but if you give someone and inch, they invariably take a mile. Simple grocery store runs turn into half a day shopping jaunts at the mall. Abuse happens. Suddenly you start hearing - we did it because 46's
    can do it and they got the mall. 21's was at autozone. 5's was here.. 6's was there...

    And one other rule to add - albeit unofficially. Never, I mean NEVER let your engine get stolen. Even if it is just around to the back of the grocery store because YOU as Captain were too stupid to make the Engineer stay in the engine.....

    And don't say on the radio - "Firecom have you heard from my engine?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    It is sad that we have to have an SOP/SOG for everything now, but if you give someone and inch, they invariably take a mile. Simple grocery store runs turn into half a day shopping jaunts at the mall. Abuse happens. Suddenly you start hearing - we did it because 46's
    can do it and they got the mall. 21's was at autozone. 5's was here.. 6's was there...
    Seriously, as long as you are in your first due area what difference does it make?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Seriously, as long as you are in your first due area what difference does it make?
    No problem at all when the engine sits in front of the strip bar for "lunch".

    Or the taxpayers wonder whey the ladder is sitting at the photography store for
    3 hours.

    Or at Joe's wifes house for 6 hours...

    Common sense SHOULD prevail, but people push things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    No problem at all when the engine sits in front of the strip bar for "lunch".

    Or the taxpayers wonder whey the ladder is sitting at the photography store for
    3 hours.

    Or at Joe's wifes house for 6 hours...

    Common sense SHOULD prevail, but people push things...
    Who said anything about eating at a strip club? Or sitting at the photo store for 3 hours? Or at anybody's home for 6 hours?

    If you look for trouble you will find it. We run errands, go shopping, and occasionally stop off at a member's relative's house to check on elderly parents. If your company officers are so stupid as to have the rig park in front of a strip club, or be in a store for hours on end, or stop at home or a relative's house for hours on end your department deserves all the grief it gets. Once again the lack of common sense seems to be ruling the world again. Funny thing is we get no hassles at all from our citizens about being out in the community with the fire rigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Who said anything about eating at a strip club? Or sitting at the photo store for 3 hours? Or at anybody's home for 6 hours?

    If you look for trouble you will find it. We run errands, go shopping, and occasionally stop off at a member's relative's house to check on elderly parents. If your company officers are so stupid as to have the rig park in front of a strip club, or be in a store for hours on end, or stop at home or a relative's house for hours on end your department deserves all the grief it gets. Once again the lack of common sense seems to be ruling the world again. Funny thing is we get no hassles at all from our citizens about being out in the community with the fire rigs.
    Thats my point. The lack of common sense. Some people have it, some don't. Some departments have it, some don't.

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    the medium size city i work for does not have a problem with us going out to eat just need to be close. in the main district there is one place where only one piece of equipment is allowed to be at once but seams we do not follow that rule too much anymore. (staffing reasons). we also have a section of the city that has a bunch of restaurants (Skyline chili, Wendy's crap Donald). we have been eating in more and more due to the cost of going out to eat ($10 all day buy eating in or up to $20 for going out) if we eat in the engine crew just visits Kroger while they are out doing businss. the other station eats in all the time as the closes restaurant is way out of first in area but they do have a grocery store not far from the house. since both stations are cross maned we have to call on the air so that they can take either the truck or the ambulance out of service for the time being.

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    Where I live, and the department I'm on...our city administrators have really cracked down on this kind of stuff..we used to be able to run out for lunch or to get some materials for dinner, but anymore, they are pretty much against the idea of getting out for anything other than calls and other job related things. It sucks...they are real debbie downers at city hall, they have even gotten to the point where the bay doors stay closed unless needed open for cleaning, etc...so no more chillin on the bumper afterhours to check out the ladies as they drive by lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ****brick3633 View Post
    Where I live, and the department I'm on...our city administrators have really cracked down on this kind of stuff..we used to be able to run out for lunch or to get some materials for dinner, but anymore, they are pretty much against the idea of getting out for anything other than calls and other job related things. It sucks...they are real debbie downers at city hall, they have even gotten to the point where the bay doors stay closed unless needed open for cleaning, etc...so no more chillin on the bumper afterhours to check out the ladies as they drive by lol


    sucks for you! lol jk buddy

    oh yeah, they probably want you to use the least amount of electricity, and fuel as possible so they can make the money back that they spent on that firehouse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobabouey View Post
    sucks for you! lol jk buddy

    oh yeah, they probably want you to use the least amount of electricity, and fuel as possible so they can make the money back that they spent on that firehouse!
    LOL! good point..dont be hating buddy..move to farmington and you can have some of that luxury! lol

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    no thanks, you can have the luxury bathrooms and whatnot, and ill just sit on the front bumper after hours "checking out the ladies," as they drive by!

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    We can use the engine at our discretion. Our SOG's require that we call in "on the air, available". Then, whether we go to the grocery store or a restaurant, it has to be in the district.

    We park in a normal spot, usually far away from the restaurant with minimal obstructions. We all carry portables, so if a run comes in, we all know it.

    Around here, shopping is a great PR activity. We get out and meet people at either the store or restaurant, and I (the rookie) usually get a chance to show the engine to any kids that ask. Or, sometimes, we just get to talk to employees or citizens who say hello.

    But yes, we do have an SOG for pretty much EVERYTHING department related.
    Some good information here..... As well as in the other post.

    How my Department does it is as long as we go "available on radio", update dispatch of our location (especially for the Medic Engines) and don't act like a fool in public we have free-range. As far as an SOP on this, we do not have one because it is not a real issue. We normally eat within our first due areas when we eat in public. The only time that we got "smacked-down" was when a Crew sat on a curb and ate ice cream during a summer. We got bashed pretty hard on that one, but still no SOP, just an Interoffice Memo and embarrassment/ribbing of that Crew.

    My advice is to not make it too much of an issue; don't abuse the equipment, don't act a fool in public, be polite, tip well, remember the equipment belongs to those that pay our bills, remember "please" and "thank yous" and talk to the folks that serve you there before it happens about how to handle the occasional interrupted meal.

    I know Departments and shifts that routinely go to the local store and shop or eat at the local restaurants. Never had an issue.....
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    It's to the level that theses guys ONLY knows SOPs, and anything off by one inch gets you reported. Just ask a Lieut of mine about the hours he was disciplined for having a button undone on his shirt. Yet I've seen guys out "filling the boot" in non-approved tshirts, untucked who havent shaved and talk on their phones while driving the piece.
    Almost makes me want to hug my Chief..... Hey, I said almost..... LOL.
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    An SOG, of course, someone had to have a promotional project at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adenosine View Post
    An SOG, of course, someone had to have a promotional project at some point.
    You're readin my mind dude.
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    We don't have to tell dispatch anything. We run to the store or eat 'em up joint and do what we need to do and leave. If we get a call we jump in and go. It is a great PR deal in my mind as long as everyone behaves. It's a good way to get out and meet people, and the businesses love it because we support them, so a lot of times (like during Fill-the-Boot) they support us. We hear the whole "it costs money for fuel, blah blah blah blah" argument a lot. We run with three person crews a lot of the time. Sending a chow runner isn't practical since running with two puts us below minimum staffing. We argue this point, "would you rather have your firefighters getting food, supporting the economy, doing public education, and being together so they can handle an emergency or would you rather have a fire engine show up that can't operate to it's potential because you wanted to save $8 on fuel?". We keep it simple and nobody bothers us.

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    We're allowed to take the engine to a grocery store in our district. The biggest problems we have faced is with parking. Although few and far between, there have been citizen complaints about firetrucks parking in front of their houses, or taking up 2 spots etc.
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