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    Default Calif. Bill Requires Home Carbon Monoxide Monitors

    Calif. Bill Requires Home Carbon Monoxide Monitors

    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
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    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Californians would be required to install carbon monoxide monitors if their home has an attached garage or fireplace under legislation the state Assembly adopted Monday, although one lawmaker said the bill reached too far into people's private lives.

    The bill by Sen. Allen Lowenthal, D-Long Beach, also would mandate the devices in homes that are heated by oil or other fossil fuels. The Assembly passed it on a 47-19 vote, sending it to the Senate.

    Monitors that detect the odorless, lethal gas already are required in new homes. The bill would extend the requirement to all houses, apartments and condominiums meeting the requirement but would exempt college dorms at state colleges and universities.

    The California Air Resources Board has determined that 30 to 40 ''avoidable deaths'' occur in California each year because of unintentional carbon monoxide poisoning, according to an analysis of the bill.

    Assemblywoman Connie Conway, R-Tulare, said 24 other states have a similar mandate.

    ''Carbon monoxide is the leading cause of accidental poisoning deaths in the United States, claiming 400 lives,'' she said before voting for the bill.

    The legislation would require owners of single-family homes to install a monitor by July 1, 2011. Owners of apartments, hotels and private college dormitories would have until 2013.

    Property owned or leased by the state, including California State University and community college campuses, the University of California or a local government agency would be exempt. Those college dorms are not part of the mandate because of the projected cost to the state for installing the monitors.

    Assemblyman Charles Calderon, D-Whittier, described the measure as a worthy idea but voted against it, calling it another example of government intrusion into people's private lives.

    ''I don't know how far the Legislature can go to ask families to protect themselves,'' Calderon said during Monday's brief floor debate. ''There are a lot homes with fireplaces in them, and this is going to be, it may be, a substantial burden to them.''

    Supporters said the monitors cost about $20 each.

    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed a similar bill last year, saying such standards ought be vetted by the state's building commission. Spokesman Mike Naple said Monday the governor had not taken a position on this year's bill.

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    Am I missing something here? How can this be seen as an example of government intrusion into people's private lives and how far the government should go in requiring people to protect themselves?


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    I agree with the Governator.

    They are a great tool and save many lives, but it should be adressed at the building stage. How does Cali handle smoke detectors? Are they required by code during construction only, or does somebody come around and check that you have them at random times?
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    Californians would be required to install carbon monoxide monitors if their home has an attached garage or fireplace...
    I think they are missing the bigger picture with the gas appliances that cause most of the deaths.

    Fuel/gas fired furnaces
    Gas water heaters
    Gas stoves
    Gas dryers

    You would think that they should include any gas/fuel/oil burning appliance that is in a home or apartment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
    I think they are missing the bigger picture with the gas appliances that cause most of the deaths.

    Fuel/gas fired furnaces
    Gas water heaters
    Gas stoves
    Gas dryers

    You would think that they should include any gas/fuel/oil burning appliance that is in a home or apartment.

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    Yep, wood is not the biggest culprit. Worst residential CO call I ever worked was a water heater.

    If it were more inclusive, though, I'd say go for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheffie View Post
    Am I missing something here? How can this be seen as an example of government intrusion into people's private lives and how far the government should go in requiring people to protect themselves?
    Smoking kills millions of more people than CO. Why aren't we protecting smokers from themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emt161
    Smoking kills millions of more people than CO. Why aren't we protecting smokers from themselves?
    Why stop there. Take away the booze as well. It kills more people than CO.

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    Massachusetts has had "Nicole's Law" since 1995. which requires CO detectors in all residential dwellings, hotels, motels, nursing homes and transient dwellings; basically, anywhere people sleep.

    Hotels, motels, nursing homes, and transient dwellings were required to have monitored systems. Residential dwellings can have either monitored systems, AC powered with battery backup or battery operated CO detectors.

    New construction requires hard wired CO detection systems.

    Compliance for residential dwellings occur at the time of sale.

    For new construction residential, it is at the time of the home fire alarm/CO acceptance inspection.
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