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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    Sort of like new apparatus with seat belt alarms... wouldn't need big brother forcing safety devices if people did the right thing in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Trust me, I know what standards are out there. Why we cannot actually require they be followed is the real question. Money is the real answer.

    OK, so which is it? We have to follow NFPA or don't we? Non-mandatory standards can be used in court to show an industry standard, but name 10 cases where this has actually happened. The apparatus standards become mandatory because they saddle the builders with liability so they refuse to bend (for some) on these safety standards. Most FD's in the US ignore a large portion of the NFPA standards, and bad things don't seem to happen at all...
    Ok, maybe I don't understand your point, or maybe you have multiple points. You said

    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    My issue is with continually allowing NFPA to make snap judgements or other decisions that may have a negative impact on the fire service while selling them as "safety".
    And then you commented on "mandated" driver training. The NFPA standard for operator training is there; you know it and so do I. Is your department complying with that standard? If not, do you think you should? If your point is that we should all strive to properly train drivers to decrease accidents, we agree. If your point is that we should strive to properly train drivers to decrease accidents instead of installing hose bed nets because there are more driving accidents than loss of hose loads, we disagree. We cannot and should not hold off on fixing the small things because we have not yet gotten a handle on the larger things.

    You and I agree that most departments are forced to comply with NFPA 1901 due to the manufacturer realizing that the liability will fall upon them, but other standards are out there looking for voluntary compliance. Actually, though, while the apparatus is delivered compliant with NFPA 1901, it's up to the department to maintain it that way. For instance, one could remove the hose bed nets.

    I could probably come up with a number of cases where a non-mandetory standard is used to show an industry standard, but none of them would have anything to do with an apparatus accident, so I'm not sure it's worth the effort. I will say that NFPA 921, which is titled "Guide for Fire & Explosion Investigations", which by it's own title is a guide, has been used to discredit shoddy fire investigations. (also been used to try to discredit good fire investigations, but that's a topic for a different forum).

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    10 Days Later. I know it's not a pre connect but my guess would be there was nothing to stop it

    http://www.firefighterclosecalls.com.../newsid/108631

    Good reasons to have nets or tarps or someething to stop that hose from coming off the truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MColley View Post
    10 Days Later. I know it's not a pre connect but my guess would be there was nothing to stop it

    http://www.firefighterclosecalls.com.../newsid/108631

    Good reasons to have nets or tarps or someething to stop that hose from coming off the truck.
    Yep I saw that one today too.

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