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    On a working fire, car or structure that is,I am packing and masking up, but do not go on air till I am out of the truck, so all I have to do is step out the back door where I ride, grab the roundabout 50' of hose, advance to my assigned side, while walking to the fire, I am on air in less than 10 seconds. ****ed, locked and ready to rock!! Gotta love the quick connect MSA masks and HUD WITH amplifier. As for tunnel vision, I have a pretty good view through my mask. Hardest thing I have had to get used to is the HUD for my air. Although MANY MANY years of wearing safety glasses with side shields may give me an advantage with the "tunnel syndrome."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    ....Within my limited experience, I can't see any valid reason to don a Facepiece until you are Off the Rig...........
    Haha, Chief I've never known you to be soo modest Personal preference. We have an even mix, but the officer usually always (or should) be stepping off without his mask on. Oh, mask or no mask, it is EVERYBODY'S job to size up. You ask me to go in blind, and I'll ask you to call the next due....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg55 View Post
    haha, chief i've never known you to be soo modest:d personal preference. We have an even mix, but the officer usually always (or should) be stepping off without his mask on. Oh, mask or no mask, it is everybody's job to size up. You ask me to go in blind, and i'll ask you to call the next due....
    Modest? Me?..... Nah, Ruin my Image.....
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    You Texas guys are forgiven for your Reeds. Like MOST of the working folk here: off the rig with the Pak on,mask up(if required)at the door.AFA's and the like are handled mask off unless a Idlh condition is encountered.I cannot envision a situation where I would want to be masked up in the rig.Unless the rigs burning. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whfd930 View Post
    On a working fire, car or structure that is,I am packing and masking up, but do not go on air till I am out of the truck, so all I have to do is step out the back door where I ride, grab the roundabout 50' of hose, advance to my assigned side, while walking to the fire, I am on air in less than 10 seconds. ****ed, locked and ready to rock!! Gotta love the quick connect MSA masks and HUD WITH amplifier. As for tunnel vision, I have a pretty good view through my mask. Hardest thing I have had to get used to is the HUD for my air. Although MANY MANY years of wearing safety glasses with side shields may give me an advantage with the "tunnel syndrome."

    Again these are just my views, not right or wrong.
    The argument some of us are making though is that you should be able to mask up in 10 seconds anyway. So why not just keep the face piece off?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    You Texas guys are forgiven for your Reeds. Like MOST of the working folk here: off the rig with the Pak on,mask up(if required)at the door.AFA's and the like are handled mask off unless a Idlh condition is encountered.I cannot envision a situation where I would want to be masked up in the rig.Unless the rigs burning. T.C.
    Kind of another topic here, but do you guys gear up for AFA's then?

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    Gear on,Pack on,NO MASK for AFA's. Neighboring town had an incident with a NASTY conclusion so OUR operational protocol was modified to suit. They responded to a AFA for like the 5th time in a twentyfour hr period. NOTHING was found on the first 4 so they limited responsed on the fifth. While doing a walkthru they saw a little puff of smoke,lifted the tile and all hell broke loose.Results NOT favorable. Since then,most of the Depts around me have adopted a much more aggressive stance on AFA'S. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipeman1822 View Post
    Kind of another topic here, but do you guys gear up for AFA's then?

    Unless we know absolutely that there is no way that there is any kind of Fire there, Yes. We encounter something more than a bell ringing often enough to believe that AFAs sometimes indicate that something is on Fire at that Address. NOTHING reinforces that idea more than walking into an office building, taking the elevator to the 5th floor, Door opens and Smoke is banked down to your knees. Bad news is that you aren't dressed or equipped any better that the Office worker that rode up in the elevator with you...... Never happened to me, and it won't. Safety Sally? maybe. Alive and Well and going home next morning? Yep!......
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Unless we know absolutely that there is no way that there is any kind of Fire there, Yes. We encounter something more than a bell ringing often enough to believe that AFAs sometimes indicate that something is on Fire at that Address. NOTHING reinforces that idea more than walking into an office building, taking the elevator to the 5th floor, Door opens and Smoke is banked down to your knees. Bad news is that you aren't dressed or equipped any better that the Office worker that rode up in the elevator with you...... Never happened to me, and it won't. Safety Sally? maybe. Alive and Well and going home next morning? Yep!......
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    Gotcha. Just curious. Not meaning to say your way is wrong. I used to work for a suburban department and we did. Now I work for a large east coast city and it all depends on the company. Most(especially downtown companies) never dress. They will walk in wearing shorts and tshirt. Only a few like to gear up. My company usually doesn't for an AFA(I'll throw on my bunker pants) and maybe the back step for an RFA.(I'll wear pants and coat, but no pack)

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    depends where i'm at and what the captain wants. I at least put my pants on for a alarm. I might even put my jacket on somewhat.

    Like I have said before though, that unless you have worn the reed hood, you dont know the difference it takes to put one on as compared to the sock hood
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    Hehe,UNLESS you're in Texas,I'm thinking that's pretty much a NON issue since they aren't TOO popular outside of Tx. NOT saying they can't be found but they are pretty much a Texas thing. Nobody up here uses them.I would think they would be a MAJOR PITA but you guys seem to get along OK. I'd rather put a few holes in the house. Different styles for different areas. OH,wouldn't want to work in DFW either,too freakin' HOT. I can adjust for COLD but Hot is another issue. I don't like humid heat. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spencer534 View Post
    I understand where everyone is coming from but I completely trust the practical/real world experience of the chief that started this. We've been doing it now for a couple of years and havent had any issues. I'm not out to fool anyone, we're not fighting fires everyday, but it works for us. We have to be a little more aware with where we walk, etc, but dont have issues with fatigue, vision. Fogging is not an issue. To be clear, we're not going on air and we're not putting it on in route to the scene.
    Come on NK you are not on air while the truck is on the run are you?? So when you guys exit the apparatus, you have the face piece on and on air, is that what you are sayong? Why man, why? The time to put the face piece on is at the door and you go on air then. Have you forgotten the FF1 training the DFP trained you guys on?

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    I don't put mine on until I'm on at the door. For all the same reasons mentioned above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnee View Post
    Come on NK you are not on air while the truck is on the run are you?? So when you guys exit the apparatus, you have the face piece on and on air, is that what you are sayong? Why man, why? The time to put the face piece on is at the door and you go on air then. Have you forgotten the FF1 training the DFP trained you guys on?
    Nah, Jonnee that post was in reference to my original on this thread about our RIT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFuss View Post
    once i cough, i put on the mask
    I think that's actually a good way to describe how I prefer it. When you have actual thick smoke and it's enough where you have to cough.

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    first off... DFW is not that humid. Try living in Houston.

    Secondly, the reed hood is not a Texas things, its mainly a Houston thing, since a Houston Firefighter invented it to go along with the aggresiveness of Houston's firefighting.

    Regardless, everyone does their own thing. Before Houston i didnt mask up till needed but now, I step off the truck ready to roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    I'd rather put a few holes in the house.
    The Reed isn't a substitute for ventilation. The weakest point remains the facepiece.
    Logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    first off... DFW is not that humid. Try living in Houston.

    Secondly, the reed hood is not a Texas things, its mainly a Houston thing, since a Houston Firefighter invented it to go along with the aggresiveness of Houston's firefighting.

    Regardless, everyone does their own thing. Before Houston i didnt mask up till needed but now, I step off the truck ready to roll.
    Not gonna argue the Reed,you're closer to the source than me. Not gonna argue your tactics either but OUTSIDE of Texas,who uses Reeds? Not many and the fires still go out. I've watched some video from your area and I'd like to suggest that based on the Videos,NO,you guys aren't doing Vent work the way we do it. AND with the Reeds you're saving a boatload of property even with that fact. I really don't think a home in houston burns much hotter than one here,BUT: We both do what works for us. I WILL guarantee my working conditions are COOLER 85% of the year. And a tip of the Leather to you guys for the great job you do.I'm PERFECTLY happy with a sock,tried a Reed once just so I could say I did. Not something I wanna do daily.I know you guys have great success with them,and more power to you. I contend that with proper vent work you can do AGRESSIVE interior work WITHOUT a Reed but thats just my opinion based on my years of service. Always nice to chat with you guys,it's ALWAYS a learning experience. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipeman1822 View Post
    Kind of another topic here, but do you guys gear up for AFA's then?
    Gear and pack on (and I guess it has to be said, face piece off), tool in hand. If its a high rise, we take hose bundle and standpipe kit up.

    We make people buy and install theses systems in their buildings and we expect people to take the alarms seriously and evacuate when they hear them, so why the F&%# would the fire department not take it seriously? We show up to an automatic alarm ready to work. Yea most of them are false, but so are a good chuck of other structure fire calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipeman1822 View Post
    I think that's actually a good way to describe how I prefer it. When you have actual thick smoke and it's enough where you have to cough.
    Yeah, becuase we all know if there isnt thick black smoke the air MUST be ok to breath!
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