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    Who out there has a Spartan Gladiator Chassis/ Crimson body 09-10? If you do do you have the IFS suspention ? Do you like it ? We are starting the spec process and I could use some 411.

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    We've had quite a few Spartan cab/chassis over the years but none with the IFS. I haven't heard much about the IFS that appartatus builders such as Spartan and Seagrave offer as an option. I've rarely seen any trucks with the IFS except for Pierce with their Tak-4 IFS that comes from Oshkosh and has been used by the military on their tactical trucks for many years. IFS is a must for off-road, cross-country operations but has had mixed reviews for highway applications. I believe that the Baltimore City FD likes the IFS on their Pierce trucks in that it provides improved ride quality (road shock and vibration) on the rough streets in the city. However, other FD's and volunteer companies in the area that have tried the TAK-4 suspension on their Pierce units have had quite different reviews, some love it, some dislike it. I would strongly recommend trying to find some outfits that have a Spartan with the IFS, go out and visit with them to see what they think. Maybe they will let you drive it so you can see what it's like for yourself. That's the best way to evaluate the IFS before you buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeadOff View Post
    We've had quite a few Spartan cab/chassis over the years but none with the IFS. I haven't heard much about the IFS that appartatus builders such as Spartan and Seagrave offer as an option. I've rarely seen any trucks with the IFS except for Pierce with their Tak-4 IFS that comes from Oshkosh and has been used by the military on their tactical trucks for many years. IFS is a must for off-road, cross-country operations but has had mixed reviews for highway applications. I believe that the Baltimore City FD likes the IFS on their Pierce trucks in that it provides improved ride quality (road shock and vibration) on the rough streets in the city. However, other FD's and volunteer companies in the area that have tried the TAK-4 suspension on their Pierce units have had quite different reviews, some love it, some dislike it. I would strongly recommend trying to find some outfits that have a Spartan with the IFS, go out and visit with them to see what they think. Maybe they will let you drive it so you can see what it's like for yourself. That's the best way to evaluate the IFS before you buy it.
    I drove a Toyne/Spartan that was equipped with an earlier IFS from New Jersey to Illinois last fall. Granted, this was all highway miles. I thought it was nice, but not $14,000 worth of nice. I understand that Spartan and one of the major axle/suspension manufacturers have since gotten together to design a new, improved IFS system. I haven't driven it, so I can't comment on it.

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    I've driven Spartan demo chassis, equipped basically the same but one with IFS and the other without at a past Spartan meeting. Very impressive handling and ride from the IFS unit. Like Sam says, try to drive both and get a feel for the difference, and then ask yourself if it is worth the extra cost. If money were no object, we'd have it. And a bunch of other options...
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    My Department has a 2008 Spartan Gladiator with IFS on a rescue pumper. The reason for going with the IFS was not for the ride but the cramp angle that it gives (53 degrees). On a wheelbase of 187'' and bumper to bumper lenght of 30'10'' . This truck will go where the Chiefs suburban can go .Not having to back up on tight turns is a big time saver and much safer. We have old narrow roads and many garden apt complexs the extra expense was worth it for us.

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    Outside from my normal city job, I've also gotten recent contracts with 2 VFD's. With that, one of the VFD's, has a '09 Spartan/Crimson IFS engine.

    The 40 mile highway ride to bring it to the city for some warranty work was a nice ride. Until I hit the city crater streets, did I have concerns. The ride was still decent, but I shuddered everytime I hit a crater.

    If anything, if it wasn't for the initial cost of the IFS, I'd be worried about the cost of replacement parts compared to the price and abuse a single axle front end takes. Springs are easier and cheaper to replace.

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    It's heavier too so if weight is an issue.....just something else to consider.

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    Thanks to all that repiled. We have 2 Pierce with IFS and love them. Looking at Spartan Crimson now. The Pierce we took a beating on as they had a few too many problems with them when we first recieved them. But now are O.K. The chief said lowest bid with IFS. So righ now Spartan Crimson it the choise. Looked at the Gladiator on line with the 360 view. A NICE looking rig. Thanks to all who replied the 411 was helpful.

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    We have one Pierce IFS in our inventory. Our Garage Supervisor despises it because he has trouble finding parts from anyone but Pierce. He knows who makes the parts for Pierce, but apparently there was a contract provision that prevented dealers from selling the part to anyone but Pierce.

    Also, the brake life didn't live up to what the salesman touted. But then again, most parts rarely do.
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    We have two 2007 Spartan / Crimson with IFS. So far no problems and everbody seems to like the ride and handling. As stated earlier, the 53 degree cramp angle is great.

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