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    Super Singles front and back if you want it to perform off road.

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    Default Brush Trucks- Dually VS. Single Rear Wheel

    *We are looking into buying a brush trucks....we have several neighboring depts that have either dually or SRW pickups....I would like to hear what you have and what you like and dislike about it that would better help us with our decision. Thank you!

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    To me it depends on where you are at. There are certain types of soils that a dually is better than singles. In most places I feel that single rear wheels are the way to go. We had one brush truck that was a dually and it was like a pig on skates, it spent alot of time being pulled out of the mud. If you have farmers around look at what they are using to feed with and that will be your answer.

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    We just recently purchased a new Brush truck, and had the same problem. Dully or not? After some research and visiting other dept's, we decided to go with the SRW. So far we have been VERY happy with our purchase, and the truck has performed outstanding both on and off road.



    We did need to beef up the rear suspension with more leaf springs, but other than that the truck remains stock.
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    Most will depend on GVW, how much water you want to pack around. These trucks get notriously overgrossed.

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    We've always gone with SRW pickups for the brush trucks. Part of that is needing the narrower rear end to get access to more areas. As mentioned earlier, these are easy to get over loaded and then get in trouble on steep grades.

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    more tire = more surface area = equals more traction in loose/soft soil

    Now if you're planning on putting a set of single 315/75R-16's, versus dual 245's, well that's a no brainer.

    I say DRW's, with the widest tire the DRW's will accept.

    The baddest tire made for off-roading heavy trucks is the Michelin XZL & XML.

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    The biggest problem with duallys is operator error. Its people driving the truck fully loaded were is shouldnt go, and then wonder why it gets stuck.

    A dually will hold more water and be more stable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EngineCO38 View Post
    We just recently purchased a new Brush truck, and had the same problem. Dully or not? After some research and visiting other dept's, we decided to go with the SRW. So far we have been VERY happy with our purchase, and the truck has performed outstanding both on and off road.



    We did need to beef up the rear suspension with more leaf springs, but other than that the truck remains stock.
    From looking at the photo it looks like your truck is a F-350, could you have purchased a F-550 with a higher GVWR !

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodbridgeFFII View Post
    From looking at the photo it looks like your truck is a F-350, could you have purchased a F-550 with a higher GVWR !
    Really the reason we went with the F350 as opposed to the F550 was price and the engine options. I do not believe you can get the F550 with the V10 gas job, like we have in our Brush truck. Also we added extra springs to the rear suspension to beef up the GVWR, as it was obvious the stock springs would not be able to hold all the EQ and water we wanted on the truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EngineCO38 View Post
    Really the reason we went with the F350 as opposed to the F550 was price and the engine options. I do not believe you can get the F550 with the V10 gas job, like we have in our Brush truck. Also we added extra springs to the rear suspension to beef up the GVWR, as it was obvious the stock springs would not be able to hold all the EQ and water we wanted on the truck.
    Smart choice in going with the V-10. You dont want to be starting more fires than you put out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k1500chevy97 View Post
    Smart choice in going with the V-10. You dont want to be starting more fires than you put out.
    We love the V10's, we have an 04' F350 with the V10 as our light rescue. Truck has been great, and we love the power of the V10. Hauls our boat like there was nothing back there, its a 20' pontoon boat.
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    Power of the V10? Don't like Gas and I damn sure would put my 7.3 against ANY V10 for pulling(power). For a brush truck they're OK,but they are MAJOR fuel hoggs.We'll have NO more gas rigs here outside of portable tools and Chiefs buggies.Our Brush truck is a military MACK,pedigreed,and it will go places no 350 is gonna go(in our area).Tree in the way? Knock it down. SRW vs DRW? I'd say each has their place,I prefer dual. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Power of the V10? Don't like Gas and I damn sure would put my 7.3 against ANY V10 for pulling(power). For a brush truck they're OK,but they are MAJOR fuel hoggs.We'll have NO more gas rigs here outside of portable tools and Chiefs buggies.Our Brush truck is a military MACK,pedigreed,and it will go places no 350 is gonna go(in our area).Tree in the way? Knock it down. SRW vs DRW? I'd say each has their place,I prefer dual. T.C.
    Oh dont get me wrong I'm not bashing Diesels in the least, I'm sure alot of the guys here would have loved to have a Diesel. Heck I wouldn't mind a Diesel, its just we love our V10's here. It gets the job done and we havn't experiances any draw backs from choosing the V10 over say Fords 7.3 Diesel. Are there HUGE differences between the two motors, absolutely, but we stand by our choice.

    Now our old Brush truck, I wish the old girl was still in Service. Its an old military Dodge Power Wagon from the late 40's early 50's I believe. Has a front mount PTO pump, and tires that I think came off a damn tractor. We've tried to get it stuck, and just couldn't. However the trucks top speed was 40 MPH down hill, and it started more fires than it put out.
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    Got one! A '56. Now mine happens to be a wrecker on the original 9:00-16's ,does 50 downhill with a tailwind but it's the same truck. I've got 2 7.3's,and I'm waiting to see how the 6.7 pans out. I work on too many gassers to EVER own one. If you like 'em and they work for you, great. I prefer something with NO overhead cams and ONE timing chain.Also something that will run a million miles without being cracked open because thats about how long I keep 'em.NOTHING I know of in GAS fits that requirement although I had a 390 that did 600K.But thats a nice looking rig you have and I'm sure it serves the purpose for which it was built. I haul our 22' Airboat so I know all about DRAG in boats. T.C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Power of the V10? Don't like Gas and I damn sure would put my 7.3 against ANY V10 for pulling(power).
    For the record, 7.3's aren't an option anymore.

    For a brush-truck, once you get it in 4-Lo, engine power really doesn't matter anymore, only traction does.
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    Ah,but IF you don't require a NEW one they are.The 6.4 is passable but hard to work on.The modulars(4.6,5.4,and the V10) are ALL a PITA to work on. I'm withholding my opinion on the 6.7 until I get my hands on one. 6.0's make a nice boat anchor,that being said we have a couple dozen customers running them with no significant issues. Gas runs too hot(cat)for my liking for brush work. But because of differing opinions everybody can get what suits them. EXCEPT me. I like the old 6.9/7.3 platform,good long life engineas long as you take care of them(Dca and oil changes). T.C.

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    The V10 makes more sence for a bruch truck. the engine has more than enough power and is MUCH cheaper. The diesel is better if your towing, but its also a lot more money.

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    About 5k more. Makes a difference how long you plan to keep the rig and what you are going to do with it. For MOST FD's you're probably right. ANYTHING we buy for working fleet will be "kerosene",we're weeding out all our gas vehicles. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Ah,but IF you don't require a NEW one they are.
    Excellent point. It makes so much more sense to purchase a used chassis for -⅓ the cost. Once you get it, slap some good rubber on it, and do a complete brake job. Do all the necessary things to bring into compliance with current NFPA standards. Paint it a sold color with flat paint, and slap some scotchlite trim on it.
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    I don't get REAL fussy with the paint on our brush truck. I want it to look decent but face it: If you're gonna go wander around the Bush how long is a shiny paint job gonna STAY that way? NOT long around here.Pine and hardwood claw at the paint pretty steady.38's rig is BEAUTIFUL but I wouldn't put it where I put ours. For a WHOLE lot of reasons. T.C.

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    Our current brush truck is a 2006 Chevy 3500 SRW. Carries 200 gallons, plus a generator. It is pretty much a multi-purpose vehicle. The dually's look nice, but the SRW work better in my opinion. It handles just like a half-ton pick-up truck which everyone is used to driving. Not many guys drive duallys on a daily basis, let alone off road. With Iowa snow and ice in the winter, it gets better traction than a dually because of more weight on the tires. I've never been able to see the difference between it and a dually off-road though.

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    One other advantage to a gas v. diesel is the lighter weight of the engine, which can be important especially if end up mounting a hefty brush guard and winch up front.

    We replaced our Dodge 3/4 ton brush truck last year with a gas F-450. So far the truck has been much more stable on the road and we have seen some, but very little, drop in off-road performance.

    We replaced an old Chevy chassis with the Dodge about 3 years ago, and it never has been able to go where the old Chevy did. And we don't expect this truck to be able to go where the Dodge did. After all, that is why God made plow crews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    One other advantage to a gas v. diesel is the lighter weight of the engine, which can be important especially if end up mounting a hefty brush guard and winch up front.

    We replaced our Dodge 3/4 ton brush truck last year with a gas F-450. So far the truck has been much more stable on the road and we have seen some, but very little, drop in off-road performance.

    We replaced an old Chevy chassis with the Dodge about 3 years ago, and it never has been able to go where the old Chevy did. And we don't expect this truck to be able to go where the Dodge did. After all, that is why God made plow crews.
    You're saving about 331# over the Diesel going with the V10,probably a few more with the 5.4. So if you're gonna sink,REALLY doesn't matter much which engine. Bumperguard,winch add the same frontal to ANY of the platforms. Like Fured says,Hard to beat a five quarter for brush work.And the new ones get down the road pretty well. T.C.

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