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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Actually, several European countries have some very good oil spill containment equipment. After the Erica broke apart off of France in the 90s, France developed their own system and its evidently quite effective. Norway is a world leader in developing this equipment and now it sounds like Holland has it as well. I know Australia has some as well as the Persian Gulf states. I'm mystified why the US wouldn't have a lot of it on hand considering the importance of the GOM oilfields.
    It makes you wonder why hasn't Obama reached out to these folks for help. It seems the more this spill goes on the more political it is. No one cares about doing the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Nothing's changed in thirty plus years because Big Oil doesn't give a damn about anything but raking in the billions, including the environment. They will crush anyone that gets in their way. They have spent the last thirty years attempting to circumvent, avoid, and destroy any attempt at regulation, mostly with the help of the wonderful people on the right side of the political spectrum. How's that wild, wild west capitalism working out for you now, righties?
    You do realize that Millions of every day people are also invested in big oil. This comes from Mutual funds, Pension Plans, and 401k plans. Wouldn't surprise me to find out that you very own pension plan is also invested in oil among other things. Capitalism worked very well for the first 150 years in this country. After that they tried to socialize the system and broke it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You do realize that Millions of every day people are also invested in big oil. This comes from Mutual funds, Pension Plans, and 401k plans. Wouldn't surprise me to find out that you very own pension plan is also invested in oil among other things. Capitalism worked very well for the first 150 years in this country. After that they tried to socialize the system and broke it.
    This only proves you have no clue about the history of capitalism in the United States. It worked very well for the gilded class. Which was about 1% of the population. For the rest, not so well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    How's that wild, wild west capitalism working out for you now, righties?
    Wow. We found one of the 3 people in the world that actually watch Rachel Maddow.


    As for capitalism, your alternative would be what?

    Socialism is not exactly helping the Europeans out right now is it? Greece, Spain, France, and Portugal are all having difficulty - and they have vastly more socialist ideologies in their government than ours.

    Communism? Never has worked out in the long run. Russia failed. China has had to "open up" and is now more capitalist than communist - except in the way the government is run. Same with Cuba. North Korea has long ago abandoned Communism and moved further beyond it.

    So if you loathe capitalism so much, what - EXACTLY - is your alternative? Capitalism is like every other system of economics and government. It looks great on paper, but when you add in reality and humanity's quest for money, power, and greed......it falls away from its potential.

    Alas we will never know the answer to this question, because you have placed me on your ignore list. So open minded of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This only proves you have no clue about the history of capitalism in the United States. It worked very well for the gilded class. Which was about 1% of the population. For the rest, not so well.
    So that is how Andrew Carnegie grew from a factory worker to become wealthy - then gave almost every dime away.

    Joe Kennedy rose from a simple Boston political family, became incredibly wealthy, spoke in support of Adolph Hitler (there's a nice little gem left out of most historical conversations) and against Jews. How shameful of a Democrat to do so.

    Michael Dell has built one of the largest computer manufacturers in the world.

    Ross Perot built a multi billion dollar company - son of a cotton broker.

    Hell, even our President has risen from a middle-class upbringing to become a multi-millionaire.

    William Jefferson Clinton has risen from very humble beginnings and is now an incredibly wealthy man. Done so through capitalistic investments, book deals, and making $150,000 per speech. Yup, capitalism sure has hurt him.

    I will ask you the same question I asked of Noz - and you will not answer it because you rarely do answer direct questions of you. What is your alternative to capitalism?

    It may not be perfect, but like I said - when you put into place man's natural tendency for money, greed, and power any financial or governmental system is going to get derailed from its intended goals.

    By the way - still waiting for you to answer the questions I asked of you yesterday. You won't because you are a coward, but I would love to hear your answers. Instead of insults. You deride people for putting this: in their posts and compare them to your 12 year old neighbor - but you opting to not answer questions because you don't care for the poster or the question is just like being a 12 year old.

    The hypocricy from you never stops does it? Another question that will go unanswered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    So that is how Andrew Carnegie grew from a factory worker to become wealthy - then gave almost every dime away.

    Joe Kennedy rose from a simple Boston political family, became incredibly wealthy, spoke in support of Adolph Hitler (there's a nice little gem left out of most historical conversations) and against Jews. How shameful of a Democrat to do so.

    Michael Dell has built one of the largest computer manufacturers in the world.

    Ross Perot built a multi billion dollar company - son of a cotton broker.

    Hell, even our President has risen from a middle-class upbringing to become a multi-millionaire.

    William Jefferson Clinton has risen from very humble beginnings and is now an incredibly wealthy man. Done so through capitalistic investments, book deals, and making $150,000 per speech. Yup, capitalism sure has hurt him.

    I will ask you the same question I asked of Noz - and you will not answer it because you rarely do answer direct questions of you. What is your alternative to capitalism?

    It may not be perfect, but like I said - when you put into place man's natural tendency for money, greed, and power any financial or governmental system is going to get derailed from its intended goals.

    By the way - still waiting for you to answer the questions I asked of you yesterday. You won't because you are a coward, but I would love to hear your answers. Instead of insults. You deride people for putting this: in their posts and compare them to your 12 year old neighbor - but you opting to not answer questions because you don't care for the poster or the question is just like being a 12 year old.

    The hypocricy from you never stops does it? Another question that will go unanswered.
    You can add Steve Jobs and Bill Gates as well. And heck throw in the millions of Immigrants who came to this country as well. Of course it used to be you came here, worked hard, saved, and made something of yourself. Now you come here, do nothing, get free medical, free schooling, free food , and a free place to live; all compliments of the American Taxpayer. You no longer have to work to survive in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This only proves you have no clue about the history of capitalism in the United States. It worked very well for the gilded class. Which was about 1% of the population. For the rest, not so well.
    This only proves you are a stooge for Castro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    So that is how Andrew Carnegie grew from a factory worker to become wealthy - then gave almost every dime away.
    And Carnegie's experience was typical of the American experience at that time? For every Carnegie, there were literally thousands if not millions crushed in his wake.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Joe Kennedy rose from a simple Boston political family, became incredibly wealthy, spoke in support of Adolph Hitler (there's a nice little gem left out of most historical conversations) and against Jews. How shameful of a Democrat to do so.
    All done in post Sherman Anti-Trust era. Since we're throwing down the Hitler card, many say the same thing about Prescott Bush. How shameful of a GOP to collaborate with one of history's worst mass murderers.

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    Michael Dell has built one of the largest computer manufacturers in the world.
    See above post.

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    Ross Perot built a multi billion dollar company - son of a cotton broker.
    Educated in TX public schools and the Naval Academy (aka public schools) and started EDS with a major contract from the Social Security Administration (aka tax dollars).

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Hell, even our President has risen from a middle-class upbringing to become a multi-millionaire.

    William Jefferson Clinton has risen from very humble beginnings and is now an incredibly wealthy man. Done so through capitalistic investments, book deals, and making $150,000 per speech. Yup, capitalism sure has hurt him.
    See post regarding post Sherman Anti-Trust era.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    I will ask you the same question I asked of Noz - and you will not answer it because you rarely do answer direct questions of you. What is your alternative to capitalism?

    It may not be perfect, but like I said - when you put into place man's natural tendency for money, greed, and power any financial or governmental system is going to get derailed from its intended goals.
    I never stated I had a better alternative. What I do believe is that unregulated capitalism is just as bad as any of the alternatives. I've stated that on numerous occassions. When I hear conservatives state that government interference is restrictive I look at the last policies of the administration and see the current results in tainted food, mine disasters in WV, and now an economic and environmental disaster in the Gulf. We had the mirage of government oversight, but not the substance, because of the deregulation mania of the conservative ascendancy over the past 30 years. From understaffing agencies like the SEC (and spare me the porn nonsense – 30 guys in a major agenmcy over x years watching porn is such a drop in the statistical bucket it’s ridiculous, quite aside from its utter irrelevancy to the structural issues that were in play) to restricting its scope of permissible review (remember Phil Gramm’s sneaking a specific statutory exemption from regulation for derivatives trading into a bill ) to the repeal of Depression era limits on financial institutions that had served the economy well to the appointment of regulatiry “directors” like Chris Cox who wasn’t so much asleep at the wheel as an unbeliever in using the wheel in the first place, anti-regulatory ideology inspired by Ayn Randian free market dogma has come home to roost in many places

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    By the way - still waiting for you to answer the questions I asked of you yesterday. You won't because you are a coward, but I would love to hear your answers. Instead of insults. You deride people for putting this: in their posts and compare them to your 12 year old neighbor - but you opting to not answer questions because you don't care for the poster or the question is just like being a 12 year old.
    Where is it written I'm obligated to respond to anything?

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    The hypocricy from you never stops does it? Another question that will go unanswered.
    Being called epithets by most of the conservatives on this board is my idea of the highest compliment.

    Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You can add Steve Jobs and Bill Gates as well. And heck throw in the millions of Immigrants who came to this country as well. Of course it used to be you came here, worked hard, saved, and made something of yourself. Now you come here, do nothing, get free medical, free schooling, free food , and a free place to live; all compliments of the American Taxpayer. You no longer have to work to survive in this country.
    As opposed to you who saved nothing, got a job that didn't pay, ran up incredible and unsustainable debt and then used the government provided legal system to run away from your responsibility.

    Yup, that socialism sure has done wrong by you.

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    This only proves you are a stooge for Castro.
    Is that all you got?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And Carnegie's experience was typical of the American experience at that time? For every Carnegie, there were literally thousands if not millions crushed in his wake.
    Just as some are just not going to improve their lots in life. Some will bust their butts to succeed, and some will not. You either do or do not. He still did it on his own. As have numerous named and un-named in our nation's history. As will untold hundreds and thousands more in our future.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    All done in post Sherman Anti-Trust era. Since we're throwing down the Hitler card, many say the same thing about Prescott Bush. How shameful of a GOP to collaborate with one of history's worst mass murderers.
    It does not matter when it was done. You build a better mousetrap. You bust your butt and succeed at your goal.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Educated in TX public schools and the Naval Academy (aka public schools) and started EDS with a major contract from the Social Security Administration (aka tax dollars).
    And it matters who gave him his contract? He apparently had a better program to do the task. He beat out his competitors. You know, capitalism. If you act in an ill manner, then your actions will catch up with you, a-la enron, BP, GM, Chrysler, Citbank, Bank of America, and the numerous other failed financial institutions.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Where is it written I'm obligated to respond to anything?
    Never said you were, said you were a coward for not doing so. Especially in your cowardly actions of accusing me of something and then lacking the intestinal fortitude to back it up with further statements. You snipe away and then move on.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Being called epithets by most of the conservatives on this board is my idea of the highest compliment.
    Not an epithet if you fit the definition of the term.


    And your little rant about regulatory agencies is partially correct. But you only seem to blame conservatives, never a whisper about the collusion of Democrats and liberals in these actions. The agencies ignoring even their own advisors of the ill-mannered and impending financial fallout (as early as 1996 the head of the Boston Federal Reserve Bank advised that the lending patterns occurring were not sustainable.)

    Both political parties are to blame for the fallout. Yet you conveniently only have the capability to blame Republicans and conservatives. Yet have the "courage" to be so ideologically bound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    As opposed to you who saved nothing, got a job that didn't pay, ran up incredible and unsustainable debt and then used the government provided legal system to run away from your responsibility.
    Bankruptcy exists as a legal recourse. I suppose all of those you champion for that have racked up medical bills should not be allowed to file bankruptcy either?

    I love your statements as though you have never made a mistake in life. At least the guy admits that he made a mistake, and he has corrected it, and he has moved on and bettered himself.

    I may not agree with him on a lot of things, but if you took off your blinders and resolved your hatred for anyone of a different political ilk than yourself you might be able to see things in a different way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Just as some are just not going to improve their lots in life. Some will bust their butts to succeed, and some will not. You either do or do not. He still did it on his own. As have numerous named and un-named in our nation's history. As will untold hundreds and thousands more in our future.
    Carnegie and the rest did what they could to slam the door shut on any who might follow and try to take away their market share. It was why Harrison signed the Sherman Anti-Trust and was one of the cornerstones of TR's presidency.

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    It does not matter when it was done. You build a better mousetrap. You bust your butt and succeed at your goal.
    Actually it does. If you believe that, there isn't much point. One of the many reasons a computer company can start in a garage and become a thriving business is that the law prevents an IBM from undercutting their pricing structure to crush the upstart. The mousetrap doesn't even get a chance to be noticed. Patent and copyright laws also protect the inventor from someone else usurping their idea. Try starting a general merchandise store and calling it Wal-Mart. Or concocting a soft drink and naming it Coca Cola. Be assured the legal weight that will fall upon you will hit like a falling safe. That darned government sticking its head into the marketplace again. I know you may find this difficult to believe. But folks who control a segment of the market don't just sit back and let someone else take it because the other has a better idea. Seriously, you can't be that naive.


    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    And it matters who gave him his contract? He apparently had a better program to do the task. He beat out his competitors. You know, capitalism. If you act in an ill manner, then your actions will catch up with you, a-la enron, BP, GM, Chrysler, Citbank, Bank of America, and the numerous other failed financial institutions.
    Yes it does given your stance on government and its role in society. His primary customer had a guaranteed revenue stream. a-al Boeing, GE, Raytheon, Lockheed et al.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Never said you were, said you were a coward for not doing so. Especially in your cowardly actions of accusing me of something and then lacking the intestinal fortitude to back it up with further statements. You snipe away and then move on.
    Sorry to hurt your feelings. Being a tough Marine and all.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    And your little rant about regulatory agencies is partially correct. But you only seem to blame conservatives, never a whisper about the collusion of Democrats and liberals in these actions. The agencies ignoring even their own advisors of the ill-mannered and impending financial fallout (as early as 1996 the head of the Boston Federal Reserve Bank advised that the lending patterns occurring were not sustainable.)
    Which group has led the charge for lesser government interference and de-regulation the most and loudest in the last 30 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Both political parties are to blame for the fallout. Yet you conveniently only have the capability to blame Republicans and conservatives. Yet have the "courage" to be so ideologically bound.
    See above post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Bankruptcy exists as a legal recourse. I suppose all of those you champion for that have racked up medical bills should not be allowed to file bankruptcy either?
    So you're comparing medical bills and health issues to someone who ran up debt to buy toys? Thanks for the laff riot.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    I love your statements as though you have never made a mistake in life. At least the guy admits that he made a mistake, and he has corrected it, and he has moved on and bettered himself.
    I have made mistakes. But I didn't hide behind an institution and then trash it daily like him. Given his posturing on personal responsibility he accepts none. He blames his going BK on his job not paying enough, taxation, the banks, and his ex-wife. Everyone but himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    I may not agree with him on a lot of things, but if you took off your blinders and resolved your hatred for anyone of a different political ilk than yourself you might be able to see things in a different way.
    Such harsh words. I don't hate him at all. In fact I find him to be mostly pathetic.
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    SC...give it up, my brother. Guys like Sharkie are just too arrogant and, quite frankly, dumb to get it. Even when the icky evidence against their ideas of completely unregulated, wild west capitalism they love so much is lapping up on hundreds of miles of Gulf shores, they still rant on and on. Their pathetic attempts to place the blame for this mess at the President's feet is is even further proof that the right has indeed gone completely and irreversibly insane. And the fact that (by your quoting him) ol' Sharkie seems to be defending Scareblow on the issue only further proves he has absolutely no credibility...on anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    SC...give it up, my brother. Guys like Sharkie are just too arrogant and, quite frankly, dumb to get it. Even when the icky evidence against their ideas of completely unregulated, wild west capitalism they love so much is lapping up on hundreds of miles of Gulf shores, they still rant on and on. Their pathetic attempts to place the blame for this mess at the President's feet is is even further proof that the right has indeed gone completely and irreversibly insane. And the fact that (by your quoting him) ol' Sharkie seems to be defending Scareblow on the issue only further proves he has absolutely no credibility...on anything.
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    There are hundreds of Socialist societies and governments. The U.S. stands above the rest do to Industrialism, Capitalism, and the ability to succeed on your own. There is no reason to bring the U.S. down to the socialist societies in the world. Since the U.S. is the only capitalist society left please leave it to the capitalist and let the socialist go elsewhere.

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    You have to love the hypocrisy of the left. The complain about the greedy capitalist. Yet it is that same greed that drives the left to want to take the money away form those who actually earned it. If the left had no jealousy and greed then they wouldn't care how much others had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Nothing's changed in thirty plus years because Big Oil doesn't give a damn about anything but raking in the billions, including the environment. They will crush anyone that gets in their way. They have spent the last thirty years attempting to circumvent, avoid, and destroy any attempt at regulation, mostly with the help of the wonderful people on the right side of the political spectrum. How's that wild, wild west capitalism working out for you now, righties?
    "big oil doesn't give a damn.."

    "crush anyone...."

    "circumvent, avoid and destroy any attempt at regulation..."

    I love the emotional drama and hand wringing of the left. Poor babies.

    Capitalism is working out great, thanks much! Certainly better then communism.

    Google "Chernobyl" and "soviet environmental disasters".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    SC...give it up, my brother. Guys like Sharkie are just too arrogant and, quite frankly, dumb to get it. Even when the icky evidence against their ideas of completely unregulated, wild west capitalism they love so much is lapping up on hundreds of miles of Gulf shores, they still rant on and on. Their pathetic attempts to place the blame for this mess at the President's feet is is even further proof that the right has indeed gone completely and irreversibly insane. And the fact that (by your quoting him) ol' Sharkie seems to be defending Scareblow on the issue only further proves he has absolutely no credibility...on anything.
    Amazing how polution and environmental disasters don't happen in communist or socialist countries.

    Try "china environmental disasters" in any search engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    There are hundreds of Socialist societies and governments. The U.S. stands above the rest do to Industrialism, Capitalism, and the ability to succeed on your own. There is no reason to bring the U.S. down to the socialist societies in the world. Since the U.S. is the only capitalist society left please leave it to the capitalist and let the socialist go elsewhere.
    Which is where the US was headed until laws were passed by Harrison and Roosevelt curtailing the influence of industry.

    Try to proofread your posts better. Your mistakes only let folks know you really are ignorant.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You have to love the hypocrisy of the left. The complain about the greedy capitalist. Yet it is that same greed that drives the left to want to take the money away form those who actually earned it. If the left had no jealousy and greed then they wouldn't care how much others had.
    And one has to love the morons on the right who have no idea that we wouldn't even have a functional economy right now if we had no FDIC providing for orderly bank failures, no Federal Reserve dropping interest rates and printing more money, and no SEC fighting against the Enron-ization of corporate accounting practices. Those bastions of market power Wal Mart and Coca Cola wouldn't have thousands of employees if the government hadn't given them the ability to copyright their images and ideas, expand production into Third World countries, and protect their trade secrets from competitors. Pentagon-driven companies like Boeing and Lockheed Martin wouldn't exist without massive taxpayer handouts feeding the war machine. The U.S. markets are heavily propped up by state money, and are saved from their own inability to control themselves by legislators and regulatory agencies.

    But do keep up with your Ayn Rand fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Capitalism is working out great, thanks much! Certainly better then communism.

    Google "Chernobyl" and "soviet environmental disasters".
    No one is disputing that fact. It's the ability of capitalists to ignore the regulations that end up causing damage to those who have no connection to their industry.

    And who then end up doing catastrophic damage to complete innocents in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No one is disputing that fact. It's the ability of capitalists to ignore the regulations that end up causing damage to those who have no connection to their industry.

    And who then end up doing catastrophic damage to complete innocents in the process.
    Now that is priceless. I happen to live in an area that was once prosperous and all people were well off. Everyone made money. Then the liberals came in and decided that we needed this big "forever wild" park. They enacted environmental legislation, drove out industry, and now the area is a welfare state. They didn't care how many innocents were hurt as long as they had their little playground. It's a place called the Adirondack Park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No one is disputing that fact. It's the ability of capitalists to ignore the regulations that end up causing damage to those who have no connection to their industry.

    And who then end up doing catastrophic damage to complete innocents in the process.
    So it's better to not have regulations like the commies, then to have regulations that at times get violated like the capitalists?

    Not making much sense there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Now that is priceless. I happen to live in an area that was once prosperous and all people were well off. Everyone made money. Then the liberals came in and decided that we needed this big "forever wild" park. They enacted environmental legislation, drove out industry, and now the area is a welfare state. They didn't care how many innocents were hurt as long as they had their little playground. It's a place called the Adirondack Park.
    So you're on welfare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So it's better to not have regulations like the commies, then to have regulations that at times get violated like the capitalists?

    Not making much sense there....
    No joke here. I'm not sure what this statement means.

    I'll try to restate. I'm not opposed to capitalism and the profit motive. I believe communism and socialism to be failures.

    What I oppose is the belief by uber conservatives and libertarians that government has no place and that all regulations should be abolished. Or that any regulation and regulatory oversight is bad.

    I believe that too much government will lead to tyranny. But I also believe that too little government will lead to anarchy.

    The determination of what is the proper amount is a constant battle.
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