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    Default 2009 SAEFR recruitment and retention

    I've seen about 1/2 of the funds get thrown to hiring but not one R&R project.

    Anyone with a R&R application seen any 1199 or other actions?


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    Quote Originally Posted by lfdmichael View Post
    I've seen about 1/2 of the funds get thrown to hiring but not one R&R project.

    Anyone with a R&R application seen any 1199 or other actions?
    I haven't heard a word on mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortsutphen View Post
    I haven't heard a word on mine.
    Dusty, If you have had a SAFER award, I would love to see its narrative. In fact I would like to get more SAFER narratives that emphasis R&R.

    Our state has had about 6 SAFERS awarded since it began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jam24u View Post
    Dusty, If you have had a SAFER award, I would love to see its narrative. In fact I would like to get more SAFER narratives that emphasis R&R.

    Our state has had about 6 SAFERS awarded since it began.
    Jim " Did I send you mine already??? Senior moment, Can't remember ***** !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jam24u View Post
    Dusty, If you have had a SAFER award, I would love to see its narrative. In fact I would like to get more SAFER narratives that emphasis R&R.

    Our state has had about 6 SAFERS awarded since it began.
    Jim, I have yet to receive a safer grant but I can send you what I did for 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    Jim " Did I send you mine already??? Senior moment, Can't remember ***** !!!!
    Island if you don't mind, I'd like to read yours.

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    This will be the year R&R only gets the minimum 10% with all of the rehiring going on. Or if more than that comes through it will be a late in the game job like 2008 with the people turning the money down. A lot of rehiring cities are turning it down because they know it's just a 2 year delay on the layoffs so saving the money in the meantime. Others because they don't think it right to rehire just FFs when they're laying off from other departments within the municipality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortsutphen View Post
    Island if you don't mind, I'd like to read yours.

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    Well I did submit our R&R application but from the looks of things with the way Safer grants are going, it doesn't seem that we will be lucky this year.

    So I'll ask now and maybe when the next Safer application period is open, I'll have a better chance. Anybody have a successful Safer application that they are willing to share. If so, can you send it to the following email address: engco45@yahoo.com.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Thank you sir. If I can be of any assistance please let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortsutphen View Post
    Thank you sir. If I can be of any assistance please let me know.
    You're welcome. We were funded for everything except the physicals part of the application at the levels we requested. Still Can't figure out why they removed the physicals as we referenced the standards and I thought we explained the cost benefits very well. Oh well can't win them all.

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    I got it Ed. It is still corrupted for some reason. I might be able to work it out.

    Anyone else, including yours Dusty can be sent to jam24u@windstream.net

    or jam24u@hotmail.com.

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    If you fine folks don't mind. I would respectfully request a copy also. station14@charter.net Thanks in advance. Jeff

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    Me too please... chief_vaughn @ rrvfd.com

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    Last week, Omaha FD announced that they were going to have to return their 2009 SAFER award. All over the news. Seems that Omaha FD was not going to be able to satisfy the scope of the project. The award was to hire 35 firefighters and turns out they were not going to be able to fulfill their end of the project.

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    Not a rarity, odds are by the time this is over with there will be more and more money steered into R&R. Especially near the end of the award year, like there was with the 2008 program when they have to scramble to get rid of the dough or turn it back into the Treasury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    Not a rarity, odds are by the time this is over with there will be more and more money steered into R&R. Especially near the end of the award year, like there was with the 2008 program when they have to scramble to get rid of the dough or turn it back into the Treasury.
    With the economic situations getting harder for city operating budgets, will the SAFER program allow awardees that return their awards to be able to apply again the next year?

    If not, will they run into difficulties in their other applications they submit?

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    I'm sure something will come up about being awarded and then not taking the funding. It ought to, there's only a couple months between awards and applying for the next round, so not like a whole lot will change on the financial front in most areas in that period of time. But if they apply and write a good argument again, if Peer doesn't know any better they can end up with another one. DHS ought to do more checking around before they actually give people the money since they know who is turning down the awards.

    Wouldn't be surprised if anyone was turning down new positions and then aiming for layoffs to snag that funding in the next round since there's no 3rd year requirement. That's a big roll of the safety dice to do that.

    Of course this again underscores why it's not DHS, the SAFER rules, or anyone else that IAFF should be taking issue with, it's the cities that aren't taking the funding when offered, or not applying in the first place. Again underscoring that staffing is a localized issue that needs to have a solid local solution and not relying on Maybe Bucks from a grant. Otherwise we're just spinning our wheels in making any kind of real progress.

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    Yep and things had better get started on those awards quickly. If they hold true to the request for SAFER peer reviewers in late August, we are going to see SAFER pop open first week of July or so, is my guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktb9780 View Post
    Yep and things had better get started on those awards quickly. If they hold true to the request for SAFER peer reviewers in late August, we are going to see SAFER pop open first week of July or so, is my guess.
    I too am having a 'Senior' moment. Didn't '09 SAFER open in November and didn't they extend the closing date a couple more weeks due to the low number of submissions.

    Frankly I was hoping to have an opening period for SAFER somewhere in say, September.

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