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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post

    An using your analogy of the MAC flights. "we were able to fly all over the world on military transport provided there was room". They didn't make a special trip for you though. So by this logic you shouldn't be taking a government vehicle to the store just to buy food, you are making a special trip.

    My goodness you are ridiculous, but no real surprise. Every time you attempt to use the keyboard you prove you are nothing but a windbag.
    There was nothing about washing his boat that restricted their response time, I guarantee it. If you're going to complain about that, are you going to complain about us showering at work, too? I mean, that's not "in the line of duty", either. In fact, before every single shift following my am workout, I shower at work rather than at home, purely out of convenience for me. Maybe you should call the common council here and complain; want the number?

    And as far as your "shopping" analogy, cry me a river. First, it allows us to practice drive, especially with younger members or guys that are prepping for the drivers exam. It gives opportunity for the company to see the first due, know where construction is and what streets and thoroughfares to avoid.
    It provides an opportunity to see the last nights work and see what they did. It provides a chance for the little kids to get excited about the rig at the store and see it and maybe have their picture taken on it.

    You see, we're going out anyhow. We're going to train and be out in our first due to help preserve our safety. But, your midget mind doesn't understand any of that. In fact, it doesn't enter into your pea brain, because you are what all of these pea brains are who listen to am talk radio and their panties in wad without any rational thought.

    No, it's far easier to toss out easy sound bites and proclaim fiscal-restraint when in reality, you know nothing about it.
    You don't understand this profession, this lifestyle or anything associated with it.

    Isn't there some techno-geek forum for you to go hang out in, or is that they would sniff you out faster than we did as a fake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    You're worried about my shift washing their car and your department still openly keeps beer in the FD fridge? Pot, meet kettle.
    Apples and oranges.

    After meetings or drills usually a few of us will hang around and have a beer or 2 and socialize. It's not always the same people and we don't allow drunkenness.

    2 reasons why it is still allowed.

    It promotes comraderie and familiarity with fellow firefighters.

    There are few rewards for the time and effort we put in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blulakr View Post
    It promotes comraderie and familiarity with fellow firefighters.
    If you insist. I had camaraderie and "familiarity" with the guys from my VFD tonight after we hosted members of the board of supervisors for a meeting. Not a drop of alcohol was served, nor has it been in the 40 years we've been in business.

    I'm not about to turn this into an alcohol debate, there are already a hundred threads about that on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blulakr View Post

    It promotes comraderie and familiarity with fellow firefighters.

    There are few rewards for the time and effort we put in.

    So what? It's a tax payer funded department, or it serves the public in someway, based on the usage of tax dollars, correct? I thought that "we" weren't there for the perks, camaraderie or the "effort".

    And before you try to chop at my feet, the volunteer service is stronger in my past than the average career member and, my volunteer experience was in a private-entity department that served the public at large.

    If you advocate alcohol in a fire station, in any way, shape or form, you do not deserve to wear the uniform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrewCityFF View Post
    If you advocate alcohol in a fire station, in any way, shape or form, you do not deserve to wear the uniform.
    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blulakr View Post
    ]personal use of district property is strictly forbidden.

    Psssst....We have huge rain storms going on right now, as we speak; I just used my US&R gear to go outside and adjust some of my downspouts to keep rain and water out of the basement at my house. Man, that is some great rain gear!!

    Guess what; my gear was paid for with Federal tax dollars. I just used gear, paid for with Federal tax dollars for personal use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrewCityFF View Post
    So what? It's a tax payer funded department, or it serves the public in someway, based on the usage of tax dollars, correct? I thought that "we" weren't there for the perks, camaraderie or the "effort".

    And before you try to chop at my feet, the volunteer service is stronger in my past than the average career member and, my volunteer experience was in a private-entity department that served the public at large.

    If you advocate alcohol in a fire station, in any way, shape or form, you do not deserve to wear the uniform.
    Still apples and oranges.

    I will continue to wear the uniform proudly and honerably with or without your blessing.

    I will not disrespect my employer by abusing his\her\their resources.



    Making this debate about booze in the firemans hall deflects from the original topic. I brought it up to illustrate how important public perception is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blulakr View Post
    Still apples and oranges.

    I will continue to wear the uniform proudly and honerably with or without your blessing.

    I will not disrespect my employer by abusing his\her\their resources.



    Making this debate about booze in the firemans hall deflects from the original topic. I brought it up to illustrate how important public perception is.
    No it is not apples and oranges if you are talking about perceptions. I doubt your community as a whole knows you sever alcohol in the fire station. If they did I am sure there would be media coverage, and screams of drunken firemen betraying the public trust. Having seen this type of department in my area I would have to say if you are drinking at the station your are drinking and driving from the station. One of the first things to go when people start drinking is judgment. Get a few under your belt and then the first thing you know you have convinced yourself you have not had that many. Alcohol is never acceptable at any fire station.
    I am going to throw my first BS flag. You claim to work a 72 hours at a station without living quarters? If you go home at night you are not working 72 hours straight, you are on call. Big difference between being tied to one location and being able to roam through out the district and sleep in your own bed.
    It really sounds like you are making this up as you go to justify your position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acklan View Post
    No it is not apples and oranges if you are talking about perceptions. I doubt your community as a whole knows you sever alcohol in the fire station. If they did I am sure there would be media coverage, and screams of drunken firemen betraying the public trust. Having seen this type of department in my area I would have to say if you are drinking at the station your are drinking and driving from the station. One of the first things to go when people start drinking is judgment. Get a few under your belt and then the first thing you know you have convinced yourself you have not had that many. Alcohol is never acceptable at any fire station.
    I am going to throw my first BS flag. You claim to work a 72 hours at a station without living quarters? If you go home at night you are not working 72 hours straight, you are on call. Big difference between being tied to one location and being able to roam through out the district and sleep in your own bed.
    It really sounds like you are making this up as you go to justify your position.
    As previously stated more than once, this thread isn't about alchohol.

    I never claimed to 'work 72 hours at a time'. Re-read that post and pay attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blulakr View Post
    Not true. Our district has a duty officer at all times. Being an officer I regulairly pull 72+ hour duty, for free. I'm not saying it's the same, but I get a good taste of what it's like.
    You mean you did not post this?

    As previously stated more than once, this thread isn't about alchohol.

    It should not have been about alcohol, but you are the one who brought it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blulakr View Post
    .....Not true. Our district has a duty officer at all times. Being an officer I regulairly pull 72+ hour duty, for free. I'm not saying it's the same, but I get a good taste of what it's like...............


    ..........While on duty we don't stay at the firehouse. There are no living quarters there (yet). We take the command vehicle home. We must remain in the district and ready to respond at all times. Since I can't go anywhere while on duty I usually spend most of my time at the firehouse preparing for drills, performing vehicle maintanance, etc.
    Pretty clear what I'm talking about here.

    As far as the alchohol goes, I'm gonna play the newby card. I didn't realize it would create such a heated response and hijack the thread. Won't happen again.

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    Like i said earlier...

    It really sounds like you are making this up as you go to justify your position.
    The threat was not hi jacked, you were called on what you stated and you do not like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blulakr View Post

    Making this debate about booze in the firemans hall deflects from the original topic. I brought it up to illustrate how important public perception is.
    Public Perception is that you are a drunk that don't know his butt from a hole in the ground. Way to start off there new guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ltmdepas3280 View Post
    I Call Bulls#it!
    You can do that. But you should educate yourself first.

    I found this regulations for NIH NIH POLICY MANUAL - 26101-38 - OFFICIAL USE OF GOVERNMENT MOTOR VEHICLES

    C. Policy:

    1. Agency assigned and daily use rental vehicles are available to NIH employees for official business use locally and in the field. Federal regulations and DHHS policy prohibit the use of vehicles as transportation to or from unofficial activities including, but not limited to trips to banks, credit unions and stores. This prohibition includes stopovers for personal reasons during official trips, i.e., lunch. Vehicles are also available for use by Federal personnel from other Federal agencies stationed at the NIH installation in Bethesda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    My goodness you are ridiculous, but no real surprise. Every time you attempt to use the keyboard you prove you are nothing but a windbag.
    There was nothing about washing his boat that restricted their response time, I guarantee it. If you're going to complain about that, are you going to complain about us showering at work, too? I mean, that's not "in the line of duty", either. In fact, before every single shift following my am workout, I shower at work rather than at home, purely out of convenience for me. Maybe you should call the common council here and complain; want the number?

    And as far as your "shopping" analogy, cry me a river. First, it allows us to practice drive, especially with younger members or guys that are prepping for the drivers exam. It gives opportunity for the company to see the first due, know where construction is and what streets and thoroughfares to avoid.
    It provides an opportunity to see the last nights work and see what they did. It provides a chance for the little kids to get excited about the rig at the store and see it and maybe have their picture taken on it.

    You see, we're going out anyhow. We're going to train and be out in our first due to help preserve our safety. But, your midget mind doesn't understand any of that. In fact, it doesn't enter into your pea brain, because you are what all of these pea brains are who listen to am talk radio and their panties in wad without any rational thought.

    No, it's far easier to toss out easy sound bites and proclaim fiscal-restraint when in reality, you know nothing about it.
    You don't understand this profession, this lifestyle or anything associated with it.

    Isn't there some techno-geek forum for you to go hang out in, or is that they would sniff you out faster than we did as a fake?
    You are trying to rationalize. And you could make the case that surfing for PORN is doing security research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blulakr View Post
    As previously stated more than once, this thread isn't about alchohol.

    I never claimed to 'work 72 hours at a time'. Re-read that post and pay attention.
    As a chief, I pull a duty WEEK once a MONTH. Go toot your horn somewhere else, no one cares. You're right, alcohol in the FH compared to washing your vehicle in the station are apples to oranges. If I found out my local FD had brews in the fridge on premise, I'd want the galleys re-open and people strung up. You have no concept. Run along little troll, run along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You can do that. But you should educate yourself first.

    I found this regulations for NIH NIH POLICY MANUAL - 26101-38 - OFFICIAL USE OF GOVERNMENT MOTOR VEHICLES
    I didn't realize that washing your boat in the fire hall in Boston falls under the coverage of the National Institute of Health.

    Every link you post to justify your position comes form some random department or agency that has nothing to do with the argument at hand. I am just going to guess that your style of debate functions as follows.

    1) "What Troll argument can I make that might get the biggest response?"
    2) Google "Stupid Point that I am trying to make"
    3) Search through all the links until you find the one that backs up your argument. Ignoring all the links that don't work in your favor.
    4) Post link and scream "Look, I was right!"
    5) Sit back and watch the results of your trollery
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    I didn't realize that washing your boat in the fire hall in Boston falls under the coverage of the National Institute of Health.

    Every link you post to justify your position comes form some random department or agency that has nothing to do with the argument at hand. I am just going to guess that your style of debate functions as follows.

    1) "What Troll argument can I make that might get the biggest response?"
    2) Google "Stupid Point that I am trying to make"
    3) Search through all the links until you find the one that backs up your argument. Ignoring all the links that don't work in your favor.
    4) Post link and scream "Look, I was right!"
    5) Sit back and watch the results of your trollery
    The results of his trollery is obvious. . . . . . . . . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Public Perception is that you are a drunk that don't know his butt from a hole in the ground. Way to start off there new guy.
    So, using your logic, the perception of the guy washing his boat is that he's a low-life criminal who deserves the firing squad.

    So much for reasonable debate without personal attacks. Way to welcome the new guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg55 View Post
    As a chief, I pull a duty WEEK once a MONTH. Go toot your horn somewhere else, no one cares. You're right, alcohol in the FH compared to washing your vehicle in the station are apples to oranges. If I found out my local FD had brews in the fridge on premise, I'd want the galleys re-open and people strung up. You have no concept. Run along little troll, run along.
    So since you pull more duty time than I do that makes my point irrelevant?

    We don't agree so I have to leave?

    Sounds to me like I have a different perspective than many here. Does that mean I'm not welcome?

    A love-fest of like minded people is a waste of time. I come here to research others thoughts and opinions about the fire service and share mine. Hopefully to make myself a better officer.

    Reading some of the posts here makes me want to re-think my stance on alchohol. Also reading some of the posts here makes me want to not be so anal about people using public resources for personal use.

    Namecalling and insults just degrade the debate and get us nowhere.

    I'm sure your department does things that work for you but would make us shake our heads in disbelief.
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