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    Nice! Does anyone know where KME ranks in sales?

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    Does LA always purchase flat roofs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianFyrTrks View Post
    Does LA always purchase flat roofs?
    Not always:

    http://www.emergencyrigs.net/viewphoto.asp?PhotoID=1534

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    Pretty compact.

    Would work well around here except for the tank size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Pretty compact.

    Would work well around here except for the tank size.
    Think they have enough hydrants that they don't have to worry about tank size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfyre View Post
    Think they have enough hydrants that they don't have to worry about tank size.
    Exactly....

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    Looks like KME is doing a pretty good job getting into some bigger cities. I do wonder what happened in LA with the Seagrave's and Pierce's though, as far as what they didn't like about them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim1118 View Post
    Looks like KME is doing a pretty good job getting into some bigger cities. I do wonder what happened in LA with the Seagrave's and Pierce's though, as far as what they didn't like about them?
    The price tag would be my first guess. Pierce and Seagrave certainly build quality apparatus, but with budgets being the way they are these days, the lowest bidder that meets the specs seems to be getting the contract.

    The same has happened in Boston (an E-One town), with the delivery of 2 KME engines and a rescue. Sutphen was apparently the low bid on the new engines, but they did not have a service center close enough to meet the bid specifications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seagrave7
    Interesting layout on the pump panel. Are the 3 red hook ups (forward bottom) discharges or intakes???

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    Discharges, a standard item found on LA City engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Pretty compact.

    Would work well around here except for the tank size.
    And why would you need a tank at all, nevermind the size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Discharges, a standard item found on LA City engines.
    I expanded the photo and they appear to be pony suction intakes, as they have female threaded swivels.

    Not a big fan of kme but I expect that low bid has caused the LACityFD to go with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Discharges, a standard item found on LA City engines.
    Box Alarm....You are the winner. They are definitely discharges.

    Old Timer - Negative on pony suctions.

    No guessing here...factual, they are discharges.

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    Yeah, I looked all over my computer for the close-up pix I took of the very first Arrow XT for LAFD at the Pierce factory years ago, it had some close-ups of the unusual discharge assemblies on those rigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squad46 View Post
    Box Alarm....You are the winner. They are definitely discharges.

    Old Timer - Negative on pony suctions.

    No guessing here...factual, they are discharges.
    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Yeah, I looked all over my computer for the close-up pix I took of the very first Arrow XT for LAFD at the Pierce factory years ago, it had some close-ups of the unusual discharge assemblies on those rigs.


    Ok thanks to both, the old man stands corrected. I guess I am thinking of the old horse drawn days...

    I remember the old rides of yesteryear, Hose Wagons, where the discharges were close to the side steps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    Ok thanks to both, the old man stands corrected. I guess I am thinking of the old horse drawn days...

    I remember the old rides of yesteryear, Hose Wagons, where the discharges were close to the side steps.
    You mean during your proby years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    You mean during your proby years?

    Sorry, I had to.
    Yeah my proby years along with my Brother Harve, we took care of the horses!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skipatrol8 View Post
    The price tag would be my first guess. Pierce and Seagrave certainly build quality apparatus, but with budgets being the way they are these days, the lowest bidder that meets the specs seems to be getting the contract.

    The same has happened in Boston (an E-One town), with the delivery of 2 KME engines and a rescue. Sutphen was apparently the low bid on the new engines, but they did not have a service center close enough to meet the bid specifications.
    I have seen many bid awards this past year, with Seagrave coming in the highest over Pierce, it seems like Sutphen, Crimson, and Kme, get the jobs because everyone else is way over bid. With the economy in hard times it pays to get the most for your buck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187
    Discharges, a standard item found on LA City engines.
    Thanks for the (correct) answer.

    I assumed they were discharges, but with them being painted red, as the intake, made me curious.

    Thanks again.

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    Discharges are layed out the same as they have done on the Seagrave and Pierce models. Looked a few over a couple years back when up in Appleton. The crosslays are not plumbed. About 400 ft of hose in each. As hose is advanced, the engineer breaks it down and connects it to it's respective low level valved discharge which are on each side. Main discharge valve and guage is on the pump panel to feed either side as required. Makes the fireground easy to work without excess hose and still having plenty available for those long apartment hallways.

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    An mfg guy told me that LA likes to have their discharge valves that get used a lot on the outside of the pump panel. I makes it easier for the shops to rebuild the valves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retiredtruckman View Post
    Discharges are layed out the same as they have done on the Seagrave and Pierce models. Looked a few over a couple years back when up in Appleton. The crosslays are not plumbed. About 400 ft of hose in each. As hose is advanced, the engineer breaks it down and connects it to it's respective low level valved discharge which are on each side. Main discharge valve and guage is on the pump panel to feed either side as required. Makes the fireground easy to work without excess hose and still having plenty available for those long apartment hallways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianFyrTrks View Post
    Does LA always purchase flat roofs?
    What decides flat roof or raised? Is it budget?
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