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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Did he do research to see what percentage of music majors find employment in their field after graduation, both nationally and from his school? Did he research the different fields of employment his degree would allow him to work?
    He performed the same bullet-proof financial analysis that Crow does with every post.

    If his brother is as bad at music as Crow is with Logic and Math then it's no wonder...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Might have been a good idea back then. The US wasn't the superpower it is today. The US is now a multi trillion dollar a year entity.
    True.. but there is some merit to the idea of term limits... even if they are 4/6/8/10 year time frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Fully half of congress reports personal assets in excess of a million dollars. One (Issa (R-CA)) is worth $500M. Many are worth eight and nine digit sums. Acquired before they ran for office.
    I think their definition of "real world" is much different from mine (and probably most other Americans).
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    True.. but there is some merit to the idea of term limits... even if they are 4/6/8/10 year time frame.
    I don't agree that term limits should be mandated. As a voter I have the capability of enacting term limits. It's called voting.

    If I believe my elected official is doing a good job, I should be able to vote for them. Regardless of how long they've been in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    That is because birds of a feather flock together.
    You mean like lying, misrepresenting, fabrication,... you mean those feathers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    So why did he major in music?

    Did he research his degree and see what the average salary for a music major is? Did he do research to see what percentage of music majors find employment in their field after graduation, both nationally and from his school? Did he research the different fields of employment his degree would allow him to work?

    Or did he just like to play instruments and figure "Hey I'll major in music"?

    Why is it the fault of the college and the department of education that your brother picked a crappy major?
    He was young a naive like many that head off to college. The counselors tell you to learn something you like. I suspect like many graduating kids they have no idea what they are going to do, a few do. When I graduated I didn't know what I wanted to do, so I enlisted because it sounded like fun; it wasn't. Then after working a couple of blue collar jobs and a job on an assembly line I decided there was a better way. While I would have preferred being a professional lifeguard I realized there wasn't much future in it. So i went into electronics, then Electrical Engineering and now at over 50 years of age I am studying for a masters in Information Security.

    It isn't the fault of the college or dept of education directly. However, these businesses entice people to come to their schools and spend billions of dollars on educations that will never see the return on investment. How many PELL grants and state grants have gone to fund educations in areas that have resulted in the graduate getting a minimum wage job? While there may be a need for 100 people with music degrees the government will fund 10,000. If there is limited potential to use the degree there should also be limited funding for that degree type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Might have been a good idea back then. The US wasn't the superpower it is today. The US is now a multi trillion dollar a year entity.

    As far as politicos going back to the real world. Many of them came from the so called "real world" and were quite good at what enabled them to run for public office.

    Fully half of congress reports personal assets in excess of a million dollars. One (Issa (R-CA)) is worth $500M. Many are worth eight and nine digit sums. Acquired before they ran for office.
    And there is the problem!!! They have no idea what it is like to have to try to get by on $60,000 or less. Even at $80,000 a single person will have a tough time. Many have also forgotten what it is like to work 12 hour days, 6 days a week in a hot sweltering factory. Only to see the government gobble up half of their overtime pay.

    Myself I am currently at the position I would rather have more time off than more pay. A $10,000 pay raise results in 50% in my pocket. A day off means I get the whole day off and the government gets nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    While there may be a need for 100 people with music degrees the government will fund 10,000. If there is limited potential to use the degree there should also be limited funding for that degree type.
    I have to say that is boarder line sounding like socialism to me.

    I DO NOT HAVE A RESOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. I AM SIMPLY STATING WHAT THAT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    He performed the same bullet-proof financial analysis that Crow does with every post.

    If his brother is as bad at music as Crow is with Logic and Math then it's no wonder...
    No financial analysis is bullet proof; but it is better than no analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSFD9302 View Post
    I have to say that is boarder line sounding like socialism to me.

    I DO NOT HAVE A RESOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. I AM SIMPLY STATING WHAT THAT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME.
    Perhaps yes. I'm not sure what the answer is either. I just know that as a country we waste a lot of money on misdirected education. I recall seeing a year or so ago some girl who had gone to college for a job in the media. The best she could do was a position as a secretary paying minimum wage and she was complaining about having to pay back $30,000 in student loans. And trust me, there are hundreds of thousands just like her out there.

    In fact, while getting my BSEE I met a fellow who had a degree in history and was now getting his BSEE. He said history was great and fun, but no jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    While there may be a need for 100 people with music degrees the government will fund 10,000.
    The Government did not fund 10,000 music degrees, the government funded 10,000 degrees that people (including your brother) choose to pursue.

    If the Government decided to only fund 100 music degrees you would be on here bitching about "The government has no right to control the private sector by creating artificial scarcity in the music industry by not funding degrees in music!!!!" while at the same time masturbating to the sound of your self righteous stupidity.

    I figured out the best way to sum up all your posts in a few simple summary points:

    1. Individuals can do everything better than the government.
    2. If that individual makes a stupid choice/mistake than it is the governments fault for letting him make that mistake.
    3. If the Government tries to prevent the individual from make that mistake it is socialism and must be stopped.
    4. Individuals can do everything better than the government.
    5. Insert infinite loop....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    And there is the problem!!! They have no idea what it is like to have to try to get by on $60,000 or less. Even at $80,000 a single person will have a tough time. Many have also forgotten what it is like to work 12 hour days, 6 days a week in a hot sweltering factory. Only to see the government gobble up half of their overtime pay.
    They did at some point. Few of them inherited their wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Myself I am currently at the position I would rather have more time off than more pay. A $10,000 pay raise results in 50% in my pocket. A day off means I get the whole day off and the government gets nothing.
    That's you. Others that are ambitious might believe and act otherwise.

    You continue to show your lack of understanding of how American capitalism functions.

    In order to acquire capital, one needs revenue. Something one doesn't acquire when taking time off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Myself I am currently at the position I would rather have more time off than more pay. A $10,000 pay raise results in 50% in my pocket. A day off means I get the whole day off and the government gets nothing.
    That's another lie/fabrication.

    You are not in a 50% tax bracket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    That's another lie/fabrication.

    You are not in a 50% tax bracket.
    OK 44.8%, so I rounded up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    The Government did not fund 10,000 music degrees, the government funded 10,000 degrees that people (including your brother) choose to pursue.

    If the Government decided to only fund 100 music degrees you would be on here bitching about "The government has no right to control the private sector by creating artificial scarcity in the music industry by not funding degrees in music!!!!" while at the same time masturbating to the sound of your self righteous stupidity.

    I figured out the best way to sum up all your posts in a few simple summary points:

    1. Individuals can do everything better than the government.
    2. If that individual makes a stupid choice/mistake than it is the governments fault for letting him make that mistake.
    3. If the Government tries to prevent the individual from make that mistake it is socialism and must be stopped.
    4. Individuals can do everything better than the government.
    5. Insert infinite loop....

    The private sector provides jobs and enables growth. Government created all of these grants and loan programs to enable all kinds of people to get an education. Colleges see the free money and up their tuition to suck the free money form the government. If Government was not funding these educations the cost of an education would be much less.

    Classic example. I was going on a trip for the Government and was taking an extended stay. Hence the Government only paid for my hotel for the five days I was there on Government business. I asked for the Government rate in the hotel $55 per night, exactly the per diem allowable max. Next I booked my 5 days $40 per night.

    I really don't care how many pursue useless degrees; as long as I'm not paying for them. Like I have said the system is broke, not sure how to fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    They did at some point. Few of them inherited their wealth.
    Once again you contradict yourself. Not too long ago you were telling us the American system does not allow people to grow, something to do with corporate CEOs and how people don't have the chance for those jobs

    That's you. Others that are ambitious might believe and act otherwise.

    You continue to show your lack of understanding of how American capitalism functions.

    In order to acquire capital, one needs revenue. Something one doesn't acquire when taking time off.
    Has nothing to do with ambition. Has to do with the government taking nearly half (44.8%) of what I worked so hard to get. This while 47% of the people pay no tax at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Has nothing to do with ambition. Has to do with the government taking nearly half (44.8%) of what I worked so hard to get. This while 47% of the people pay no tax at all.
    Clearly you know nothing about your subject. Everyone pays taxes in one form or another. You pay the same taxes as eveyone else. If you believe it is so oppressive there is nothing stopping you from moving to another country that taxes one less with an equivalent standard of living. Good luck finding that place. We have a neighborhood here in OC where you would fit nicely. It's called FANTASYLAND.

    Your rant on how hard you work is a joke. Eveyone knows it. Even you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Clearly you know nothing about your subject. Everyone pays taxes in one form or another.
    True. However when it comes to income tax 47% pay none. And many get back more than they paid in thanks to your buddy Ronald Reagan. The problem is the taxes are so convoluted and such a mess that very few pair their fair share. The IRS with it's 65,000 pages of regulation needs to be reformed. A 10 page document should do it. And now they have made it worse IRS starts mopping up Congress's tax-reporting mess. You can thank the Democrats and Obama for giving us something that only adds more cost to businesses and increases the size of the overly bloated IRS. There is no value added here. Of course if the tax code was reduced to 10 pages millions of IRS workers, lawyers, and accountants would be out of jobs. So you know the democrats will be taking care of their fellow lawyers and accountants instead of doing the right thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    OK 44.8%, so I rounded up.
    I thought the highest bracket was 35% and that's if you make something like $350k or more.

    Your math not only stinks, your awareness of the tax code is suspect too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    True. However when it comes to income tax 47% pay none. And many get back more than they paid in thanks to your buddy Ronald Reagan. The problem is the taxes are so convoluted and such a mess that very few pair their fair share. The IRS with it's 65,000 pages of regulation needs to be reformed. A 10 page document should do it. And now they have made it worse IRS starts mopping up Congress's tax-reporting mess. You can thank the Democrats and Obama for giving us something that only adds more cost to businesses and increases the size of the overly bloated IRS. There is no value added here. Of course if the tax code was reduced to 10 pages millions of IRS workers, lawyers, and accountants would be out of jobs. So you know the democrats will be taking care of their fellow lawyers and accountants instead of doing the right thing.
    I was referring to taxes other than income taxes. It's not difficult to put one past you.

    Thanks for letting us know that you're not informed on this subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    while at the same time masturbating to the sound of your self righteous stupidity.

    Crow should just put that as his signature to avoid us having to repeat it every time he posts..
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