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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    And there is the problem!!! They have no idea what it is like to have to try to get by on $60,000 or less. Even at $80,000 a single person will have a tough time. Many have also forgotten what it is like to work 12 hour days, 6 days a week in a hot sweltering factory. Only to see the government gobble up half of their overtime pay.
    They did at some point. Few of them inherited their wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Myself I am currently at the position I would rather have more time off than more pay. A $10,000 pay raise results in 50% in my pocket. A day off means I get the whole day off and the government gets nothing.
    That's you. Others that are ambitious might believe and act otherwise.

    You continue to show your lack of understanding of how American capitalism functions.

    In order to acquire capital, one needs revenue. Something one doesn't acquire when taking time off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Myself I am currently at the position I would rather have more time off than more pay. A $10,000 pay raise results in 50% in my pocket. A day off means I get the whole day off and the government gets nothing.
    That's another lie/fabrication.

    You are not in a 50% tax bracket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    That's another lie/fabrication.

    You are not in a 50% tax bracket.
    OK 44.8%, so I rounded up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    The Government did not fund 10,000 music degrees, the government funded 10,000 degrees that people (including your brother) choose to pursue.

    If the Government decided to only fund 100 music degrees you would be on here bitching about "The government has no right to control the private sector by creating artificial scarcity in the music industry by not funding degrees in music!!!!" while at the same time masturbating to the sound of your self righteous stupidity.

    I figured out the best way to sum up all your posts in a few simple summary points:

    1. Individuals can do everything better than the government.
    2. If that individual makes a stupid choice/mistake than it is the governments fault for letting him make that mistake.
    3. If the Government tries to prevent the individual from make that mistake it is socialism and must be stopped.
    4. Individuals can do everything better than the government.
    5. Insert infinite loop....

    The private sector provides jobs and enables growth. Government created all of these grants and loan programs to enable all kinds of people to get an education. Colleges see the free money and up their tuition to suck the free money form the government. If Government was not funding these educations the cost of an education would be much less.

    Classic example. I was going on a trip for the Government and was taking an extended stay. Hence the Government only paid for my hotel for the five days I was there on Government business. I asked for the Government rate in the hotel $55 per night, exactly the per diem allowable max. Next I booked my 5 days $40 per night.

    I really don't care how many pursue useless degrees; as long as I'm not paying for them. Like I have said the system is broke, not sure how to fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    They did at some point. Few of them inherited their wealth.
    Once again you contradict yourself. Not too long ago you were telling us the American system does not allow people to grow, something to do with corporate CEOs and how people don't have the chance for those jobs

    That's you. Others that are ambitious might believe and act otherwise.

    You continue to show your lack of understanding of how American capitalism functions.

    In order to acquire capital, one needs revenue. Something one doesn't acquire when taking time off.
    Has nothing to do with ambition. Has to do with the government taking nearly half (44.8%) of what I worked so hard to get. This while 47% of the people pay no tax at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Has nothing to do with ambition. Has to do with the government taking nearly half (44.8%) of what I worked so hard to get. This while 47% of the people pay no tax at all.
    Clearly you know nothing about your subject. Everyone pays taxes in one form or another. You pay the same taxes as eveyone else. If you believe it is so oppressive there is nothing stopping you from moving to another country that taxes one less with an equivalent standard of living. Good luck finding that place. We have a neighborhood here in OC where you would fit nicely. It's called FANTASYLAND.

    Your rant on how hard you work is a joke. Eveyone knows it. Even you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Clearly you know nothing about your subject. Everyone pays taxes in one form or another.
    True. However when it comes to income tax 47% pay none. And many get back more than they paid in thanks to your buddy Ronald Reagan. The problem is the taxes are so convoluted and such a mess that very few pair their fair share. The IRS with it's 65,000 pages of regulation needs to be reformed. A 10 page document should do it. And now they have made it worse IRS starts mopping up Congress's tax-reporting mess. You can thank the Democrats and Obama for giving us something that only adds more cost to businesses and increases the size of the overly bloated IRS. There is no value added here. Of course if the tax code was reduced to 10 pages millions of IRS workers, lawyers, and accountants would be out of jobs. So you know the democrats will be taking care of their fellow lawyers and accountants instead of doing the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    OK 44.8%, so I rounded up.
    I thought the highest bracket was 35% and that's if you make something like $350k or more.

    Your math not only stinks, your awareness of the tax code is suspect too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    True. However when it comes to income tax 47% pay none. And many get back more than they paid in thanks to your buddy Ronald Reagan. The problem is the taxes are so convoluted and such a mess that very few pair their fair share. The IRS with it's 65,000 pages of regulation needs to be reformed. A 10 page document should do it. And now they have made it worse IRS starts mopping up Congress's tax-reporting mess. You can thank the Democrats and Obama for giving us something that only adds more cost to businesses and increases the size of the overly bloated IRS. There is no value added here. Of course if the tax code was reduced to 10 pages millions of IRS workers, lawyers, and accountants would be out of jobs. So you know the democrats will be taking care of their fellow lawyers and accountants instead of doing the right thing.
    I was referring to taxes other than income taxes. It's not difficult to put one past you.

    Thanks for letting us know that you're not informed on this subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    while at the same time masturbating to the sound of your self righteous stupidity.

    Crow should just put that as his signature to avoid us having to repeat it every time he posts..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I thought the highest bracket was 35% and that's if you make something like $350k or more.

    Your math not only stinks, your awareness of the tax code is suspect too...
    Well if the only tax I paid was income to the federal government you would be correct. However I also have to pay for the failed SS system, Medicaid, and taxes to one of the most liberal states in the country (NYS). When these governments get done with me I lose 44.8% right off the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I thought the highest bracket was 35% and that's if you make something like $350k or more.

    Your math not only stinks, your awareness of the tax code is suspect too...
    Typical, Off on another track, can't seem to maintain focus can you.

    Here is the thread to refresh your memory.
    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Has nothing to do with ambition. Has to do with the government taking nearly half (44.8%) of what I worked so hard to get. This while 47% of the people pay no tax at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Clearly you know nothing about your subject. Everyone pays taxes in one form or another. You pay the same taxes as eveyone else. If you believe it is so oppressive there is nothing stopping you from moving to another country that taxes one less with an equivalent standard of living. Good luck finding that place. We have a neighborhood here in OC where you would fit nicely. It's called FANTASYLAND.

    Your rant on how hard you work is a joke. Eveyone knows it. Even you.
    Of course you edited the original post.

    However the complaint had to do with losing 44% right off the top for hard work. And obviously you are clueless about the effort required to get a Bachelors Degree or an advanced degree.

    As for moving to another country. How about we take this country back to the great country it was before we got the Bad Deal, and the socialist go to one of the many other socialistic governments that have failed. This country was once unique with its capitalism and ability to live the dream. People used to be able to work and make something of themselves. The current direction is making is just like the rest and does not set us apart from the masses. Dragging this country down to the level of others is not the answer.

    You are also clueless if you think everyone pays the same taxes. 47% pay no income tax at all. 5% pay 50% of the total tax bill. Even yo with your SS exemption did not pay their fair share.

    BTW, What is an "Eveyone" ?

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    Scarecrow, is this your site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You are also clueless if you think everyone pays the same taxes. 47% pay no income tax at all. 5% pay 50% of the total tax bill. Even yo with your SS exemption did not pay their fair share.

    BTW, What is an "Eveyone" ?
    "Eveyone" more than likely means the same as "yo", you mindless twit. If you insist on correcting, at least act like you have an education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Well if the only tax I paid was income to the federal government you would be correct. However I also have to pay for the failed SS system, Medicaid, and taxes to one of the most liberal states in the country (NYS). When these governments get done with me I lose 44.8% right off the top.
    If you are paying 44% TOTAL to governments for taxes then you should fire your accountant.

    I'm sure he's taking advantage of you like the bad ol credit car companies were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Typical, Off on another track, can't seem to maintain focus can you.
    What's the matter, upset that you got caught with another gross misrepresentation/fabrication??

    Or that you got caught being stupid about money... again.

    Every thread you post in has by that very reason gone off topic. Funny, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Scarecrow, is this your site?

    http://www.milliondollarhorse.com/
    Nope, but that sure is funny. Thanks for the good laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    If you are paying 44% TOTAL to governments for taxes then you should fire your accountant.

    I'm sure he's taking advantage of you like the bad ol credit car companies were.
    Tell you what. My last bonus was $1,064 -$106 for 401K - Net Taxable income $958. Taxes withheld $416. Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    What's the matter, upset that you got caught with another gross misrepresentation/fabrication??

    Or that you got caught being stupid about money... again.

    Every thread you post in has by that very reason gone off topic. Funny, huh?
    I am taking on a professional method of communicating here. I will focus on Constructive comments and not destructive comments. I will also just be ignoring comments that are off message or provide no value to the discussion. I suggest that to give your comments credibility you try the same. When one attacks the messenger and cannot discuss the message it shows they do not understand or comprehend the message and hence they must resort to attacking the messenger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    However the complaint had to do with losing 44% right off the top for hard work. And obviously you are clueless about the effort required to get a Bachelors Degree or an advanced degree.
    Really? Did you pay for the whole thing? You didn't attend a public school or one that receives any type of government funding? I retired from the fire service with 240 units in college credits via continuing education. I didn't have all the required courses to get a degree but I've done a whole lot more than what was required. Apparently you never took courses in basic finance. Otherwise you'd have a better understanding on how to make money work for you instead of the other way around. Hint: Buying things on credit is bad unless it is an appreciating asset.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    As for moving to another country. How about we take this country back to the great country it was before we got the Bad Deal, and the socialist go to one of the many other socialistic governments that have failed. This country was once unique with its capitalism and ability to live the dream. People used to be able to work and make something of themselves. The current direction is making is just like the rest and does not set us apart from the masses. Dragging this country down to the level of others is not the answer.
    I've traveled to every continent except Antarctica. You only show your ignorance in making this statement. The New Deal saved this country from anarchy. Despite idiotic claims to the contrary by those attempting to revise history. American capitalism wouldn't exist were it not for government. It takes a deep thinker to understand why. Which rules you out. And take our country back from where? It's still here. Like Ronald Reagan I still believe our best days are ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You are also clueless if you think everyone pays the same taxes. 47% pay no income tax at all. 5% pay 50% of the total tax bill. Even yo with your SS exemption did not pay their fair share.
    I wasn't referring to income taxes in my post. You are the one that is clueless.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    BTW, What is an "Eveyone" ?
    Do you really want to go down the road of pointing out typos? Game on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Tell you what. My last bonus was $1,064 -$106 for 401K - Net Taxable income $958. Taxes withheld $416. Do the math.
    That's because your bonus is taxed at that level.

    I think you should stop performing at the bonus level. That'll show 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Tell you what. My last bonus was $1,064 -$106 for 401K - Net Taxable income $958. Taxes withheld $416. Do the math.
    Yes and when you get your return it will true out to much less.
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    Crow got a bonus? For What? Pray tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Really? Did you pay for the whole thing? You didn't attend a public school or one that receives any type of government funding? I retired from the fire service with 240 units in college credits via continuing education. I didn't have all the required courses to get a degree but I've done a whole lot more than what was required. Apparently you never took courses in basic finance. Otherwise you'd have a better understanding on how to make money work for you instead of the other way around. Hint: Buying things on credit is bad unless it is an appreciating asset.
    Nope, didn't pay for it all. I took advantage of tuition assistance plans offered up by employers. Nope, I didn't take any courses in finance. However, I am currently engaging in one. Also, as I have found through experience and dealing with accountants there are many times when buying on credit is appropriate.

    I wasn't referring to income taxes in my post. You are the one that is clueless.
    Yes, but you responding to a comment where I specifically spoke to income taxes.

    Do you really want to go down the road of pointing out typos? Game on.
    LOL!! Couldn't resist You did the same one twice. Of course you missed out on the body language and voice inflections that said that was meant to be humorous. That is what happens with electronic communications, a large part of the message often gets lost or is never transmitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Yes and when you get your return it will true out to much less.
    Actually, it doesn't. Last year I had $15,887 withheld from my paycheck. I got a refund of $2708. Part of that is I got a $4,000 credit for tuition and put $100 in a small IRA I have to get interest. that $4,100 was taxed at the 25% rate which means I got an extra $1,025. I also got $200 from the State of NY for being a volunteer fire fighter. Without that extra $1,225 my refund would have been $1,483 combined. Which meant I would have paid $14,404 in total taxes.

    Once you break over that $34,000 number in taxable income;,which for me last year was $40,000, you pay the higher tax rate. In NYS the top rate is 6.85% for anything over $20,000.

    So what we have is (since taxable income exceeds $34,000)
    Federal tax - 25%
    State Tax - 6.85%
    SS - 6.2%
    Medicaid - 1.45%

    For a total of 39.5% - Which now begs the question of why are they withholding 44%? WTF!!!! Looks like they are taking an extra 5% from me interest free.

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