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    Ink= dirtbag

    There, that sould get things rolling.......
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    I know several folks that have full face tattoos. Most are nice guys/girls. What's your point?

    And again, when my child (I only have one) is your age, i hope the issues of bigotry, obesity, alcoholism, and mental health care stigmas have been addressed/fixed by the fire service.

    The issue of tattoos will be long gone and dead by the time he's as old and bitter as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterbound View Post
    I know several folks that have full face tattoos. Most are nice guys/girls. What's your point?

    And again, when my child (I only have one) is your age, i hope the issues of bigotry, obesity, alcoholism, and mental health care stigmas have been addressed/fixed by the fire service.

    The issue of tattoos will be long gone and dead by the time he's as old and bitter as you.
    I'm not old AND bitter.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    I have no tats, know a few firefighters on my FD who do...

    Brothers are being used as pawns in political games, getting laid off, being denied benefits, dying from what they did in response to 911...

    and here we are... arguing over tattoos.

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot people....
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    I gotta agree with Gonzo on this one. We have our city trying to bust us up n break our backs but we keep the faith n fight the good fight. These are hard times for the fire service. Houses are being shut down, guys are getting laid off, old boys are comming down with some bad stuff. That should be our main concern. Yes I rock the tats. I rock full sleeves and on my hands n fingers. All have personal meaning ie children, family crest, spouce, mom, Navy(no fire related tats). Not one is offensive and 100% of my pts/John Q. Public comment on them in a positive manner. when I pass Smoke Diver and receive my number, Im tattooing it across my throat ( too much? yeah, probably, but I earned those numbers through blood,sweat, and tears just like I did all my other tats). Im Latino and work in a high tourist area that has a large influx of people from all cultures and backgrounds ie Bike Week, Biketoberfest, Speedweeks, Spring Break, BCR, etc,etc. I judge my brothers by what they do on the fireground and on calls. Times are changing my friends. Yes we must be/act proffesional at all times but we cant start judging people like this. Whats next? Racism/gender is already an issue in the firehouse. Lets not add to the fire. When i got on the job 12 years ago, some of the smoothest operators were all tatted out. Shoot, we are tatted out from the dept chief down to the freshest recruit.

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    When you go to an interview with a suit and tie how does the Chief know what kind of ink you have anyway? Hard for this to be an issue in an interview if he doesn't know about it. It's such a non issue...leave people alone and generally they will bust their *****es for you and do a great job. Micromanagement suck I guess one day we'll get our chance to do it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterbound View Post
    Marines: No sleeves, half sleeves, nothing large, not offensive. The most restrictive, but the Marines have a culture that promotes the inking of 'USMC' or the 'EGA' on your body.
    The Marine Corps does NOT have a culture that promotes the inking of anything on one's body. Any unit or leader that does is considered to be hazing its Marines. The last three Commandants have in fact discouraged tattoos. There is no promotion of tattoos in the Marine Corps, there is only acceptance of them within the rules. I did my service with zero tattoos, and the most decorated Marine I know did the same, although some of his fellow MOH recipients do have tattoos.

    A tattoo is a personal expression, and as such should be kept personal while in uniform, which translates to hidden. No one should be fired over a new tattoo policy that conflicts with existing tattoos, a grandfather clause should always be instituted, but I see no problem with restricting new hires to only unseen ink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace View Post
    The Marine Corps does NOT have a culture that promotes the inking of anything on one's body. Any unit or leader that does is considered to be hazing its Marines. The last three Commandants have in fact discouraged tattoos. There is no promotion of tattoos in the Marine Corps, there is only acceptance of them within the rules. I did my service with zero tattoos, and the most decorated Marine I know did the same, although some of his fellow MOH recipients do have tattoos.

    A tattoo is a personal expression, and as such should be kept personal while in uniform, which translates to hidden. No one should be fired over a new tattoo policy that conflicts with existing tattoos, a grandfather clause should always be instituted, but I see no problem with restricting new hires to only unseen ink.
    Ha, well, i guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Every Marine, and I mean every one of them that i've ever worked with, known, been related to, or fought with had either a USMC or EGA somewhere on their person. If not both.

    I'm not sure if this is a CYA reply for the Corps, or if you really believe it, but you should do an informal survey in your rifle company/wing (I don't know your MOS) and see how many have their big gun club tattoo, I'd be willing to bet at least 80% have them.

    And if you don't think the USMC, Navy, and Army have kept the tattoo culture alive and well because of the military's culture, you need to brush up on your history. I'd start with Sailor Jerry, and move to the navy/marines in japan.

    Also, some interesting reads:

    http://www.nj.com/war/ledger/index.s.../0401iraq.html

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Tattoos-in...tary&id=518623

    http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...en-t34994.html

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured...hanistan/1635/

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterbound View Post
    Ha, well, i guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Every Marine, and I mean every one of them that i've ever worked with, known, been related to, or fought with had either a USMC or EGA somewhere on their person. If not both.

    I'm not sure if this is a CYA reply for the Corps, or if you really believe it, but you should do an informal survey in your rifle company/wing (I don't know your MOS) and see how many have their big gun club tattoo, I'd be willing to bet at least 80% have them.

    And if you don't think the USMC, Navy, and Army have kept the tattoo culture alive and well because of the military's culture, you need to brush up on your history. I'd start with Sailor Jerry, and move to the navy/marines in japan.

    Also, some interesting reads:

    http://www.nj.com/war/ledger/index.s.../0401iraq.html

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Tattoos-in...tary&id=518623

    http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...en-t34994.html

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured...hanistan/1635/
    Any Marine encouraging a subordinate to get a tattoo for traditions sake or the sake of the unit is engageing in hazeing, it is as simple as that. At best I would say 20% of my platoon had USMC tattoos (I can tell you are a Boot by your use of the recently refered to "EGA" ), they either had the USMC initials, the Marine Corps Emblem, or a bulldog, but in all but one case they got it while in MOS school, not once out in the fleet where they really earned the title. Of the older Marine enlisted and officers that I work with today, I would say it is about the same, 20%. Even after Desert Storm, our MEB's Recon Company did not even sport much Marine Corps ink, and those guys were in the ***** more than any other unit in the Corps out there. What they did have tattooed was their dog/id tag info under their arm near the arm pit, which might actually be a good idea for firefighting as well. Due to the recent fad in popular culture of getting tattoos, I will say that there is probably an uptick in ink on our OEF and OIF veterans, but still probably only in the 50-55% range. It would be interesting for Navy Medicine to start tracking the percentages.
    The Marine Corps takes a conservative approach to personal appearance. Uniform regulations stress that personal appearance is to be conservative and commensurate with the high standards traditionally associated with the Marine Corps. No eccentricities in dress or appearance are permitted because they detract from uniformity and team identity.

    Marines are prohibited from:

    a. Tattoos or brands on the head and neck.

    b. Sleeve Tattoos. A sleeve tattoo is a very large tattoo, or a collection of smaller tattoos, that covers or almost covers a person's entire arm or leg.

    c. Half-sleeve or quarter sleeve tattoos that are visible to the eye when wearing standard PT Gear (T-shirt and shorts). A half-sleeve or quarter-sleeve tattoo is defined as a very large tattoo or collection of smaller tattoos that covers, or almost covers the entire portion of an army or leg above or below the elbow or knee.

    d. Tattoos or brands that are prejudicial to good order, discipline and morale, or are of a nature to bring discredit upon the Marine Corps. These may include, but are not limited to, any tattoo that is sexist, racist, vulgar, anti-american, anti-social, gang related, or extremist group or organization related.
    Tattoos are no more part of the Marine Corps culture than hooking up with fat girls at the E-club or getting DUI's. Sure some Jar Heads do it, but all three are usually caused by alcohol and are often deeply regretted after further contemplation.

    But, simply put, as the Marine Corps has now codified, they are individual expressions and have no place being seen in uniform, should that be Marine Corps Utilites or a Firefighter's Station Gear.
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