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    Default PolyBilt Body In Progress

    This is our PolyBilt body in progress at the ProPoly factory in Augusta Wisconsin. It incorporates a 1000 gallon water tank, 25 gallon class A foam cell, internal storage for ladders and suction tubes. Full depth compartments on the driver's side and split depth compartments on the officer's side.
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    Body painted and installed on the chassis at the W.S. Darley factory in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin.
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    Did you get comparision pricing for bent or extruded alum body? Where did the poly body come in for price?

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    Composite body costs are comparable to or slightly higher that aluminum depending on the apparatus builder. The two primary composite body builders are PolyBilt and Plastisol neither of which build complete apparatus only the bodies. Our apparatus committee determined that this engine would have a compressed air foam system and selected the Darley AutoCAFS system as the CAFS system for installation. We then began discussions with the various apparatus manufacturers that would install the Darley system regarding building an apparatus for us. Upon evaluation we felt that Darley themselves would best suit us building the apparatus. Darley offers bodies constructed of all 3 (Poly, Aluminum and Stainless). We felt that the benefits of the PolyBilt body best suited our needs vs. Aluminum or Stainless. Polybilt is a partnership between Darley and ProPoly with a bodies built in the ProPoly factories.
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    Very nice looking unit... I've worked with Plastisol when they where shipping in from overseas... I like the fact that the bodies are totally integrated, aside from mounting your choice of door they are pretty well ready to go

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    PolyBilt can provide custom design bodies and tanks to meet almost any special fire apparatus configuration and design.

    http://www.polybilt.com/

    http://www.propolyamerica.com/


    These are the drawings for this apparatus:

    http://www.bruinvfd.com/4-26-10%20sh...)(1)%20(1).pdf

    http://www.bruinvfd.com/4-26-10%20sh...-26-10)(2).pdf
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    So what is the weight difference between PolyBuilt and SS and AL?

    How many builders will build a truck with a body build by another company?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ledebuhr1 View Post
    So what is the weight difference between PolyBuilt and SS and AL?

    How many builders will build a truck with a body build by another company?
    10 - 20% lighter than aluminum bodies depending on design.

    As far as US builders currently using Polybodies:

    W.S. Darley http://www.darley.com/
    Seagrave http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...mercial_tanker

    In the UK:

    John Dennis Coach Builders http://www.johndennisfire.co.uk/

    I also believe that Rosenbaurer has done appparatus utilizing the Plastisol bodies.

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    So is this the body of the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ledebuhr1 View Post
    So is this the body of the future?
    I really don't think there will be any body of the future other than the ones we have now.

    I think you will see the Plastisol product advancing in the future, I think too many people at this time don't know enough about it. Will it completely replace the current materials, I don't think that will happen.

    I think you will see all of the current materials still being used in the future. You can find faults in any product if you want to.

    I think it comes down to the fact that you need to use the material and manufacturer that you feel fits your needs the best.

    Now I could be wrong, there will be some change, I doubt there will be much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ledebuhr1 View Post
    So is this the body of the future?
    In the UK John Dennis is currently building over 70% of their apparatus (engines, ladders, rescues) with Polybilt bodies vs. traditional aluminum or stainless.

    http://www.johndennisfire.co.uk/polybilt

    I do not currently see a dramatic shift such as that here is the US fire service. Copolymer bodies however deserve an evaluation for merit during the design of apparatus.

    Like Fyrtrks said each department needs to utilize the material and manufacturer that you feel best meets the needs of your department.
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    I remember spending a couple of hours with a Plastisol factory rep at the 2000 Intershutz. I was quite impressed with it. We did look briefly at using it for body material for our 2007 engine but at that time there wasn't anyone around who could provide it.

    I did talk to Len Hamerly of CFP (Len, where are you?). He felt that he could build a body out of his material but had never been asked to.

    For a time Rosenbauer was marketing a cab of their own. I believe that it was made by Plastisol for them and installed by and on an HME chassis. I understand that there were problems and that Rosie took care of them somehow or other. Maybe someone with some more hands on info could add to this.

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    The Rosenbauer Plastisol cabs were a nightmare for them. They addressed many of the issues with them and in fact replaced some cabs with standard, metal skinned cabs, but they were not by any means a success.

    Sam, is CFP in business? I thought I heard rumblings that they weren't any longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801 View Post
    Sam, is CFP in business? I thought I heard rumblings that they weren't any longer.
    I heard the same thing, Joel. I also heard they were closed for "reorganization," whatever that's supposed to mean. Their web site is down and I'm having trouble even finding anything on Google. I may have to take a ride past their plant to see if there's anything to be learned.

    It would be a real shame because I think they build the best tank there is. Len's not a young kid but if he's really getting out of the business I'd hope someone else would pick it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
    I also heard they were closed for "reorganization," whatever that's supposed to mean. Their web site is down and I'm having trouble even finding anything on Google. I may have to take a ride past their plant to see if there's anything to be learned.
    What for?

    The phone is disconnected...Website is down. Rumors of "reorganization".......Why ride past there? If it acts like a fish, smells like a fish......
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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801 View Post
    The Rosenbauer Plastisol cabs were a nightmare for them. They addressed many of the issues with them and in fact replaced some cabs with standard, metal skinned cabs, but they were not by any means a success.

    Sam, is CFP in business? I thought I heard rumblings that they weren't any longer.
    It appears that Polybilt and Plastisol are both doing some work with apparatus cabs in the european market.

    http://www.johndennisfire.co.uk/news/view/92

    http://www.polybilteurope.com/news

    http://www.plastisol.com/Default.aspx?branch=brandweer

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    We are nearing completion with delivery expected in early October.
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