Ff iii

[ncfpd1]

Does anyone know of a department that offers a self-study firefighter III program?
We can not find anyone locally who is willing to teach the classes.

[mvfd99]

How many people do you need. We have some in Mt. Vernon that would like FFIII. Where are you located, and would you be willing to travel? We have a few instructors that might be able to help.

[AFPD34]

We are currently doing a class in Mt. Carmel (MOD B) small class, I don't think you are all that far away. Flora area right?

[DeputyMarshal]

Does anyone know of a department that offers a self-study firefighter III program?
We can not find anyone locally who is willing to teach the classes.

I didn't think FF III even existed anymore. The NFPA standard dropped it quite a while back. Is this a hown grown program?

[AFPD34]

I didn't think FF III even existed anymore. The NFPA standard dropped it quite a while back. Is this a hown grown program?

IL. recognizes FF III

[DeputyMarshal]

IL. recognizes FF III

What do they base it on?

[AFPD34]

What do they base it on?

NFPA 1001-1992

http://www.sfm.illinois.gov/documents/newff3.pdf

[DeputyMarshal]

NFPA 1001-1992

1992?!?!

Being a standard revision or two behind is one thing but, Jeebus H. Meriweather, the current standard is 1001-2008!

[kprsn1]

Jeebus H. Meriweather

Loved that one Deputy!

Anyway, the OSFM has revised the certification curriculum or at least been revising for the last 5 years or more. When it will take effect though, I don't know. I believe it went out for public comment last year but haven't heard anything since. Eventually FFII and FFIII will be replaced by Basic FF and Advanced FF which is commensurate with current NFPA standards. Word was, anyone with FFII or FFIII will need to acquire the additional courses of Basic/Advanced FF within 5 years or lose state certification. Here's some of the earlier discussed changes:

BASIC
1. Member of an IL fire department.
2. Completion of all Basic Firefighter cognitive objectives (classroom)
3. Completion of all Basic Firefighter psychomotor objectives (practicals)
4. Completion of a new "Module D," which will consist of the following:

. 4a. Certification at the level of Hazardous Materials Awareness
. 4b. Certification at the level of Technical Rescue Awareness
. 4c. Completion of the classroom portion of Fire Service Vehicle Operator
. 4d. Completion of IS-100 and IS-700 (ICS and NIMS)
. 4e. Completion of basic CPR, and a basic first-aid course

ADVANCED
1. Certification as a Basic Firefighter for 3 years.
2. Completion of all Advanced Firefighter cognitive objectives
3. Completion of all Advanced Firefighter psychomotor objectives
4. Completion of "Module D," which will be:

. 4a. Certification at the level of Haz Mat Operations
. 4b. Certification at the level of Vehicle Machinery Operations
. 4c. Certification at the level of Fire Service Vehicle Operator
. 4d. Certification at the level of Fire Apparatus Engineer
. 4e. Technical Rescue Team Support Training


I know some classes were taught at the new curriculum levels 2 or more years ago but so far I haven't heard word when, and if, it will take effect.

[AFPD34]

Loved that one Deputy!

Anyway, the OSFM has revised the certification curriculum or at least been revising for the last 5 years or more. When it will take effect though, I don't know. I believe it went out for public comment last year but haven't heard anything since. Eventually FFII and FFIII will be replaced by Basic FF and Advanced FF which is commensurate with current NFPA standards. Word was, anyone with FFII or FFIII will need to acquire the additional courses of Basic/Advanced FF within 5 years or lose state certification. Here's some of the earlier discussed changes:

BASIC
1. Member of an IL fire department.
2. Completion of all Basic Firefighter cognitive objectives (classroom)
3. Completion of all Basic Firefighter psychomotor objectives (practicals)
4. Completion of a new "Module D," which will consist of the following:

. 4a. Certification at the level of Hazardous Materials Awareness
. 4b. Certification at the level of Technical Rescue Awareness
. 4c. Completion of the classroom portion of Fire Service Vehicle Operator
. 4d. Completion of IS-100 and IS-700 (ICS and NIMS)
. 4e. Completion of basic CPR, and a basic first-aid course

ADVANCED
1. Certification as a Basic Firefighter for 3 years.
2. Completion of all Advanced Firefighter cognitive objectives
3. Completion of all Advanced Firefighter psychomotor objectives
4. Completion of "Module D," which will be:

. 4a. Certification at the level of Haz Mat Operations
. 4b. Certification at the level of Vehicle Machinery Operations
. 4c. Certification at the level of Fire Service Vehicle Operator
. 4d. Certification at the level of Fire Apparatus Engineer
. 4e. Technical Rescue Team Support Training


I know some classes were taught at the new curriculum levels 2 or more years ago but so far I haven't heard word when, and if, it will take effect.

From what I've heard HAZMAT Opps, VMO & FSVO. TRT Support Training & FAE as part of Advanced??? Thats a new one for me and I asked the state directly. If that was to come about Mod (D) would be something like 140hrs! Curious where you copied your info from...

[kprsn1]

AFPD34, I saved it from previous discussions on these forums. Last year I believe. I just checked some of the curriculum info that I have and here's what I have as of now.

The 2002 modules for FFII/Basic which were current as of 2009:
Organization, Fire Behavior, Safety, SCBA, Portable Extinguishers, Ladders, Fire Hose and App, EMS, Building Construction, Forcible Entry, Ventilation, Water Supply, Nozzles and Fire Streams, Rescue, Fire Control, Ropes, Loss Control, Fire Detection, Fire Prevention, Fire Cause, Communications, Terrorism, and Firefighter Survival.

Add FSVO (classroom only), Tech Rescue Awareness, and HazMat Awareness.

What's going to be required for FFIII/Advanced I have no idea for sure and is still being debated? I like your scenario better!

[trainer]

Implementation was suppose to be July 1st but have heard nothing, there is an 18month overlap period to finish up the old and startup the new. Old certs will be grandfathered. Now in order to obtain any certs you need Tech Rescue Awareness, and HazMat Awareness, 100 and 700 are federally required for all FF's, so mod d isn't that much. As for the 5 additions to advanced, don't worry kprsn, it's only 136 hrs...

[kprsn1]

I hear ya trainer! Known it was coming so been working at getting the extra courses ever so slowly. Anyone know of a Vehicle Machinery Operations course coming up in Southern Illinois in the next year?

Chad

[AFPD34]

I hear ya trainer! Known it was coming so been working at getting the extra courses ever so slowly. Anyone know of a Vehicle Machinery Operations course coming up in Southern Illinois in the next year?

Chad

I believe we are going to do another here sometime with in a year. Nothing set in stone yet... I will keep you posted

[ncfpd1]

Thanks for the responses everybody, sorry it took so long to reply back.
What I was looking for was some way to do the course work online or at home.
Then do the practicals through some Saturday meetings or something like that.
Like everybody else, don't have enough free nights to sit in another class.

[wcfpd2601]

I got this off the IL State registry...Section 141.301 Basic Operations Firefighter
An Illinois Basic Operations Firefighter program meets or exceeds the level identified in NFPA 1001. The term synonymous with Basic Operations Firefighter is Operative Firefighter and identifies the expected level of supervision. Individuals may certify as Firefighter II for 5 years, at which time the certification will no longer be offered and the individuals will be required to successfully complete the additional course work if they desire to qualify for certification as a Basic Operations Firefighter.
a) Prerequisites
1) Successful completion of the Basic Operations Firefighter course.
2) Successful completion of a minimum of 180 instructional hours.
3) Passage of the State written examination (see Section 141.200).
4) Passage of the State practical skills examinations (see Section 141.200).
5) Engagement in fire fighting in an organized Illinois fire department as a fire protection person according to the Act, as attested to by the employing Fire Chief of the individual seeking certification.
6) Completion of the classroom portion for Vehicle Operator certification.
7) Certification requirements completed for Hazardous Materials First Responder – Operations.
8) Certification requirements completed for Technical Rescue Awareness.
9) Required CPR/Basic First Aid. Training documentation shall be kept in fire department training files.
10) Required NIMS 100 and 700. Training documentation shall be kept in fire department training files.


Section 141.303 Advanced Technician Firefighter
An Illinois Advanced Technician Firefighter program shall meet or exceed the level identified in NFPA 1001. The term synonymous with Advanced Technician Firefighter is Journeyman Firefighter. The term identifies the expected level of supervision. Individuals may certify as Firefighter III for 5 years, at which time the certification will no longer be offered and the individuals will be required to successfully complete the additional course work if they desire to qualify for certification as an Advanced Technical Firefighter.
a) Prerequisites
1) Certification as a Firefighter II or Basic Operations Firefighter (see Sections 141.300 and 141.301).
2) Successful completion of the Advanced Technician Firefighter course.
3) There shall be a minimum of 40 Instructional hours to safely and successfully complete the Advanced Technician Firefighter course (see Section 141.303).
4) Passage of the State written examination (see Section 141.200).
5) Passage of the State practical skills examinations (see Sections 141.200).
6) Engagement in fire fighting in an organized Illinois fire department as a fire protection person according to the Act, as attested to by the employing Fire Chief of the individual seeking certification.
7) Attainment of 3 years fire service experience beginning from the Basic Operations Firefighter/Firefighter II certification date.
8) Fire Service Vehicle Operator certification.
9) Vehicle and Machinery Operations certification.
10) Required NIMS 200. Training documentation shall be kept in fire department training files.


When I spoke to the Fire Marshals Office last year they stated to me (then anyway) that people could choose to put in for the new Certs if they had everything done already or complete the remaining classes to obtain the new cert. But that it was not going to be a requirement.