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    No news yet, this is for those who've applied and got accepted to move on to PAT testing in August through Santa Ana Coll. Apparently there were a little over 500 applicants, and the city plans to hire at least 12, if not more. Any updates for LB, put em here.

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    i applied too, and am just saw the thing on the website about the 7/8th. you mean to tell me there are 500 applicants for 12 spots???

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    I just heard that Long Beach had 800 applicants and will be having one class of 26 for now. More could be later but not for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDudley View Post
    I just heard that Long Beach had 800 applicants and will be having one class of 26 for now. More could be later but not for sure.
    nice avatar.... don't jinx yourself.

    what exactly is the PAT? I've taken many CPATs and am not worried about that, but is this completely different? I heard some California departments use a new BIDDLE test now which doesn't look too difficult. Only found 2 youtube vids on the Biddle though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 125cc View Post
    nice avatar.... don't jinx yourself.
    Uh, 125cc, not to worry that's the real deal. JayDudley is retired from LBFD. Notice Class 1 City at the bottom? They don't just hand those out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 125cc View Post

    what exactly is the PAT? I've taken many CPATs and am not worried about that, but is this completely different?
    In past tests LBFD has used their own timed system. Those with the best times have moved on in the process. This is all part of the process of culling the heard to move on to the orals.

    Also in past tests anything you put on your application or resume is open game for questions. You had better be able to back up what you put down.
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    wow i didn't notice, i thought the laterals were for fire/medics. that explains the amount of people

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    If you’re applying for lateral position you have to go back to square one.

    The biggest problem I’ve seen on oral boards when seasoned veterans take entry level or lateral tests is they can’t place themselves in the position they are applying for; that of being a snotty nosed rookie. They try to hammer the oral board with their credentials thinking the board will just hand them the job. Their oral board skills are rusty and antiquated. It’s hard for them to remember how it was to be a rookie.

    There is a delicate balance here. Leave your time and rank in your locker. You must be humble, place yourself in the rookie position and build a natural bridge to present your education, experience and integrity to the oral board panel. Without this bridge, you’re dead meat. This is not easy for many seasoned candidates. An attitude adjustment is needed. Attitude is a small thing that can make the big difference. Remember the position you’re applying for a probe job.

    The seasoned veteran candidate can roar past any of the other candidates if his attitude and game plan are in place.

    Your goal in a lateral test is to convince the panel you’re a good fit and match for their culture. They have to like you. You could be asked why you’re leaving your current department. You don’t want to bad mouth your current department. You can present that your current department has allowed you the education and experience so you can take this opportunity for the next step in your career.

    Every job you’ve ever had you started at the bottom. You’re planning on doing the same thing for this position. You have seen the things new rookies have done to fail. You know what not to do. You’re coming over wanting to learn the job the right way.

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    Many a lateral candidate has been DQ’d in background by their jealous neighbors and “friends” who see your expensive toys and days off. Oh, yea, we smoked pot together.

    It’s not uncommon for background investigators now to ask you what Internet web sites you have been on and the unsername and passwords. They will go in a check out what you have posted. A fire chief told me he had seen candidates who were in their last steps in their hiring process that were tanked by what they had posted on the Internet. Not pretty.

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    Laterals, my advice to you is this: we are our own worst enemies...you think you are a good judge of your interview skills, trust me you're not. Don't be a bone head like me and go through the process twice before getting help from professionals. Well, all I can say is after five years of trying; my recruit academy starts in two weeks. You be the judge. Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    Uh, 125cc, not to worry that's the real deal. JayDudley is retired from LBFD. Notice Class 1 City at the bottom? They don't just hand those out.
    My apologies JayDudley, I was misunderstood about your connection with Long Beach Fire Department. Thank you and Captain Bob for all of your advice and recommendations on this process. I can now see how easy it is for Laterals to unintentionally portray themselves the wrong way during the process. Very good information passed along.
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    No problem......you are correct how things get miscommunicated during an exam process. I always say"Go to the source and remove all doubt."
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    Any idea how many were invited to the Biddle?

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    Just heard there will be a class of about 12 with a start date of around end of October and will last 6 to 8 weeks. If I hear anything else I'll let you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDudley View Post
    Just heard there will be a class of about 12 with a start date of around end of October and will last 6 to 8 weeks. If I hear anything else I'll let you know.
    October seems pretty fast. That does not give much time for the interviews and especially the backgrounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arff42 View Post
    October seems pretty fast. That does not give much time for the interviews and especially the backgrounds.
    The hiring process usually takes longer than anyone anticipates. But when they really, really want to they can move really, really fast. Always have the appropriate paper work up and running at any time. You don't want to be like some candidates that say, "They sprung it on me!" As our son Rob says, "No they didn't. You knew when you turned in an application the hiring steps that were a head of you. You just weren't prepared.

    Candidates showed up for their large city CPAT to be informed as they passed that their oral boards they thought would be 3 months away would start the following week. An interview coach told me he got 38 calls in two days for this city that he couldn't begin to return. The only 2 candidates that got in had arranged for sessions 2 weeks earlier.

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    Don't kill the messenger...I was told today that it's a class of 12 tentatively the end of October and will last 6 to 8 weeks. This was from a Union Officer with the Local.I tend to take that info is on the up and up. So I you need to amp up....
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    sweet, that gives the lucky ones (hopefully me being 1 of them) enough time to still get a Southern California tan before Christmas.

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    Now that is how to take a situation and make it better. There are those who complain and the there are those who work it and get tans. Good luck to all who are applying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDudley View Post
    Now that is how to take a situation and make it better. There are those who complain and the there are those who work it and get tans. Good luck to all who are applying.
    A 6 yo 8 week academy starting in October. Graduating would make one hell of a nice Christmas present.

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    Good luck and I hope you get that present your looking for.
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    I am in the current process for the 2nd time now for the City of Long Beach. I currently work for Tampa Fire Rescue in Florida and as humble as I thought I was last year when I took my panel I never got asked to move on to the Chiefs. I always wondered why, but this post says a lot and it is VERY EXCELLENT advice to all who are trying to make a lateral move in their careers. Some of the questions I felt the need I had to explain myself thoroughly since I live in FLORIDA and already work but I will take a new approach next time around if I get that chance and only speak on if my current position if asked about it.

    Question though:
    They ask "What have you done to prepare yourself for this career?" or any Questions in that subject matter where we are forced to answer about our current departments. How would you approach that question?

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    I am in the current process for the 2nd time now for the City of Long Beach. I currently work for Tampa Fire Rescue in Florida and as humble as I thought I was last year when I took my panel I never got asked to move on to the Chiefs. I always wondered why, but this post says a lot and it is VERY EXCELLENT advice to all who are trying to make a lateral move in their careers. Some of the questions I felt the need I had to explain myself thoroughly since I live in FLORIDA and already work but I will take a new approach next time around if I get that chance and only speak on if my current position if asked about it.

    Question though:
    They ask "What have you done to prepare yourself for this career?" or any Questions in that subject matter where we are forced to answer about our current departments. How would you approach that question?

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