Do Fire Recruits get stuck on a box when hired?
Do Fire Recruits get stuck on a box when hired?
Im going to call, just was wondering if anyone on here had any idea how rookies got their assignments
Does anyone have any inside info on what the dept. is like? I'm thinking of applying. Is this a good dept. to work for, what are the shifts like, etc. Any help is appreciated.
I wouldn't look at it as "getting stuck" on a box. At least in my area, ambulances are dispatched to anything larger than a dumpster or contained kitchen fire. But what usually happens, since the ambulance is only two people and is out the bays before the engine (and are faster), they are on scene, geared up, waiting for the engine to stop and they pull a line. More times than not, the ambulance guys are on the first interior attack line. If the incident actually requires a rehab unit, the IC will call for a second ambulance. Plus, our ambulance districts are bigger than our engine districts (roughly 1 ambulance for every two engine districts), so you get called out for more calls.
Yeah, you get your frequent flyers and bogus medical calls at 2 in the morning, but you also get some "good" ones (cardiac arrests, MVAs, etc.). And frankly, I'd rather get a few runs during my shift and keep busy than sit around waiting for the tones that never drop. Especially as a probie, there's only so many hours you can clean the firehouse and study the engine compartments. Too much idle time gives you more opportunities to draw attention to your actions, which usually doesn't end in the best situation (even if it is just getting your balls busted, still better to not be in the other guys' sight picture). It's great training, you learn your district and you get to get out of the firehouse often.
I was totally unaware that guys on the box still get to see fire..I sent you an email. I would really like to talk to you more about Nashville.
I guess I should have been more clear. I'm not in Nashville, but another midwest metropolitan area. I don't know how their dept operates, but all the FDs in my area that run their own ambulance service, which are most of them, can (and usually do) also fight fire. Yes, most of the guys get off the ambulance the first chance they get once they have the seniority, but there's also a couple senior medics that bid the ambulance that covers the districts with the most fires. They get the good fire runs and good medical runs. Kind of the best of both worlds.
From what I have been told...Nashville EMS and Fire are seperate...you're either on the box or on an engine...guys on the box dont fight fire.
Interesting... I went to their webpage. Looks like it's kind of structured like FDNY, as separate organizations. Their website is kind of vague, but it looks like their Suppression personnel are basically BLS only (first responder?) and their ALS/Paramedics are run through another bureau.
Are they hired as NFD EMS and stay that way unless they apply into the suppression side like FDNY EMS does or do they eventually get the ability to move over after so much seniority (i.e. bidding)?
In my area, when we complete the academy everyone is a fully qualified FF and EMT-B. And they do both jobs immediately out of the academy. Newer guys, like I mentioned above, are usually assigned to ambulances, but they're usually the first ones to float to another station due to scheduling. In the same week, you could be on an ambulance one day, rescue truck the next and a ladder or engine the following. Eventually, as your seniority builds, you don't float nearly as much, so then you'll stay on your assigned apparatus most of the time.
From what I can gather, The academy is 22 weeks long, 11 for fire fighter and 11 being for EMT. People already EMT's or Medics, their academy is only 11 weeks. What I am trying to find out is if once out of the academy if you could get assigned to an ambulance. I am pretty sure if you are hired as a fire recruit, you won't be on a box but like I said, I am still trying to figure that out. They run a few ALS engines too. But I would bet that is a seniority spot. But EMS and Fire are separate, you don't go back and forth day to day.
Just because someone is new doesnt mean they should be stuck on a box. They should rotate to every assignement (pipe, ladder, box) within their rank. Its reasons like that why you have 5 year guys who don't know the first thing about fighting fire. Typical old school guys talking sh*t who never had boxes back in the day, and are obviously the reason "the box" has the stigma it does. A good fire department will rotate you to all the spots in the house, that way your a well rounded firefighter. Good luck, whatever they do up there.
And don't let my screen name fool you. I have rode the box and everything else that one can ride in the fire service.
If I wanted to know about any fire department, which includes yours, I know how to look up information and also call make a call to that department PIO or Chief or to someone which I know would know the information I was looking for.
Not sure if you realized but this is a firefighting forum. One can assume that there will be discussion on it, especially considering that the original question was posted in the "Hiring and Employment Discussion." I think it's pretty clear that he was asking a legit question.
Granted if it comes down to it making the call oneself usually gets the answer, but that's why I thought the forum was so popular. So people can ask questions of other peers who possible DO know the answer.
Second, I never challenged what you did in the fire service, much less do I care. I'm sure you've seen your fair share and I respect that, however, the idea that all new hires should ride the box is a terrible one at best.
I live in Nashville and will be testing. What I've heard from a paramedic who works for metro is that if you are applying to be a firefighter, you will get your EMT but will not be assigned to a "box", as you call it. So yes, metro fire and metro ems are seperate.
Also, if you already have your EMT or better, your start date will be 8-11 weeks later, b/c all of the recruits w/o it, go through that training first. This, I'm told is actually a disadvantage to those with their EMT, b/c after completing training you are assigned to stations based on seniority. Meaning, the guys who didn't already have their EMT have 8 weeks seniority on those who do. Sucks for them.
I should mention my source said he has tried for 6 years to get on with metro b/c he wants to be a firefighter, but said he is making good money with all the overtime hours he gets...to the tune of $35k for overtime alone last year. Just saying.
He also said that this is, "a very strange time for metro" because they are planning to hire around 120 recruits, but that is pending receival of some sort of 5-year federal grant. Apparently, if they don't get the grant by November then no one may be hired until they reapply for the grant for next year.
Now, for the not popular news. I have heard from this source, and SEVERAL others that Nashville is as political a department as it gets. I probably shouldn't be spreading that rumor, but I'm just giving the information that I've heard. So if you know somebody with some pull...congratulations.
Hope some of this helps.
I have heard the same thing about the political side of Nashville. But I'm not understanding the part about having different dates of seniority by having to, or not to, attend the EMT part. Everyone in the same academy dosen't get the same hire date?
Exactly...Those without their EMT are hired before those with...after they have completed EMT training they all then go to fire academy.
applied a few days ago. does being a medic help at all?
Lumberjack...I gotcha. Thought it was the other way around. Interesting tho..
No one threaten you if you took it that way I am sorry.
I don't know you or where you are employed. As you don't know me. I do know, that I know a lot of folks in the fire service among them many chiefs of departments as well as other chiefs and those who are in the know as an active member of the IAFC, which being a member since 1982.
I do know that if I were inquiring about a city or its department I would go to that source to get my information. I also know how to find department as one may have seen an application notice and link, I can follow that link and find as much as I need to know about.
As far as I am concern that case is closed. He can worry about riding a box its not going to hurt him to ride it for the first year. Rookies do it every day elsewhere.
I Looked at the posting..
It looks like fire and ems are two seperate divisions... but at the bottom of the application it does state if you are a member of the suppression division you will respond to ems calls. So you wont be running "Fire" only like youngstown ohio or something.
hope i helped.
Give Capt a break,