What about them? Scouting has had coed programs since the '70s.Quote:
What about the hundreds of female fire explorers across the nation?
ttexplorer48, learn from what he posts. I'm guessing he's been in the fire service longer than you've know what the fire service was. If he says you have allot to learn about something, you probably do. You'd be wise to listen - its the best way to make yourself more likely to get hired in the future.
Just to give you an idea, the initial impression you've made on here is something along the lines of:
-Cares more about how he looks while in the fire service than what he's doing or learning (by wanting matching turnouts when coveralls would be more practical)
-Poor work ethic (not willing to put the time into writing out questions and replies properly)
-Lack of respect (by your comments to DeputyMarshal)
-No willingness to learn (by completely ignoring any suggestions of more practical alternative gear and saying fire fighting isn't about writing skills)
-Quick to anger (by your comments to DeputyMarshal)
You had stated that you had a good advantage over other potential employees, because of your education. This may be true, but you have a disadvantage because of the impression you give. You may be able to prepare for the oral interview and hide all of these things, but when you're doing the physical ability test, and someone makes a comment to you about not doing something properly, and you lash out at them, the employer is going to take note.
Take the opportunity to learn, and improve the way you interact with others in the fire service. It'll help you way more than any certification will.
ttexplorer48: You may not agree with what everyone here tells you. And it is ok to disagree and sometimes you might even be right. However you need to remember you talking to people who have earned respectful disagreement if any. Most of these guys were fighting fire when there still was fire and probably while you were still a wet dream. So ditch the attitude. If you disagree with something, explain why in a respectful manner and make an effort to do so correctly. This isn't text messaging your BFF or email with your friends. This is a professional forum of professional people. Act professional and you will be treated professionally.
It isn't up to you on this forum to decide what appropriate explorer apparel is in his department. That's up to his department. But since you brought it up... Coveralls? In all my years, I have NEVER seen an explorer/junior program where explorers are issued coveralls instead of some form of gear. Coveralls are not adequate. They need some form of protective gear. from head to toe. Do you give your non-interior firefighters carharts to wear to calls? Probably not. Sure it doesn't need to be interior quality anymore. But coveralls aren't going to cut it. And in addition to it not being adequate, part of this whole program is learning to be ready when you're an adult firefighter. Gear accomplishes a big part of that.
By the book, yes explorers are part of the BSA. However here in reality, they are about as far detached from scouting as you can be. Other than paying dues and utilizing the insurance, there is nothing that 99% of explorers do that will ever have anything to do with scouting. I know because I was in boy scouts, I was in explorers, I ran the explorer program before I moved, and I spend a lot of time looking at what other ones to do too. It just isn't reality. Yes, there are certain qualities like respect and integrity, but they aren't there because of boy scouts. They're there because they're necessary with or without scouting. The only difference between juniors and explorers is the spelling of the word and the person who writes the check for insurance payouts (over simplified, but making a point).
He's enrolled in FF1, FF2, and EMT-B as a high school student. I'm pretty sure that qualifies as willing to learn and dedicated. Most teenagers would rather be smoking weed or getting drunk. Cut the kid some slack, he's not some idiot that wants everything handed to him. He's putting in more effort at his age than most adults in the fire service do twice his age. Kick his *** in the right direction rather than just kicking his ***. It is much more effective.
Of course, everything is relevant.
Your use of words is not as critical if you are applying at McDonalds. You just need the ability to say "do you want fries with that?"
If you want to be a firefighter, the use of words becomes important. Promotions and advancement somewhat depend on your ability to write reports or analysis in a clear, consise and factual manner. If you cannot construct a sentence with proper spelling and grammer, you have limited your chances of going anywhere.
The anger and general attitude, coupled with the "I'm special" is disappointing. You are your own worst enemy. We choose to become better because we recognize our shortcomings. We strive to be the best we can be because someone may be depending on us. We do not do this for ourselves. It does not mean we are special.
And finally, you must remember that this forum is read by thousands of firefighters. Many are in the position to hire and fire. You must remember that the hand you bite today, may serve you for dinner tomorrow. In other words, some of us see new people that have the desire to be firefighters on a daily basis. We have a duty to enlist the best that we can find. It is not always about how much stuff is under their belt.
Most of the time, I'm going for the best well-rounded individual possible. I don't hire the guys that tell me how special they are or the guys that try to wow me with paper. While it may show dedication or the ability to follow-through, the whole person is what I am interested in. I have never seen a fire that a piece of paper could extinguish. Anger doesn't solve issues, and attitudes may kill my people. The special ones never touch my apparatus let alone walk on the fireground.
It is not my intent to attack you, or even cause you an issue. I sincerely hope you achieve your dream. I do question your reasons or motivation. You began this topic with a purpose. You have let it stray away from that noble purpose only to reveal that you need to wake up and take care of some issues. This is not necessarily a kiss of death for you, it simply means you need to work on a few things. You brought much of the displeasure on yourself. Could this be a sign of needing to mature a bit more? Quite possibly.
Please take my advice and listen to the guys that have been around a while. Don't try to impress them with what you wish to do. We all started the same way, the desire to be a firefighter.
A suggestion... abandon the current profile in this forum. Create a new one and start over with a new beginning. Just be careful to not repeat the mistakes or reveal anything that links the past with the new. You might be surprised how much knowledge you may gain.
Not every department has a policy of keeping you safe while learning about firefighting along with the other skills taught by the Explorer program.
Iím Joe DeLong, and I would appreciate the opportunity to serve Charlie class as a lieutenant. As many are aware Iím on the Troy Twp. Fire Explorers. There I serve as the captain and I also hold the position of president of the Troy Twp Fire Explores. In my previous years of high school I was a boy scout, but when I started to learn about the opportunities to serve and protect the community by becoming a firefighter/ EMT I fell in love with the career. This is why I came to Penta, to continue my education and to better myself. In the future I will go above and beyond to become a Chief of a Career Fire dept.
As many people are aware the position of lieutenant is taken seriously. You need to be able to control yourself and your actions to be the best you can be. As captain of the Troy Twp Fire Explorers I have been put through some very stressful situations, and due to these stressful situations I have learned to control myself and my actions. I also volunteer in the community when I am free. I think a leader should be someone to look up to, someone that you can trust, and someone who will do the right thing and do it the right way when nobody is looking. It is easy for people to do the right thing when people are watching you, but when their backs are turned they should still perform their duties as everyone in the world was watching. A leader should also be willing to go beyond his duties to make sure everything is okay. They should always be on time and always be reliable. A good officer should ask his/ her crews what the crew needs help with, not telling other people to do it. An officer needs to be good with delegating authority. Lastly, an officer needs to know his crews skills so he can place them where it will help him most completing the tasks at hand.
I possess these skills because I am hard working and reliable, every time that I am needed it is very hard for me to say no. I always try to do the right thing even when everyone has their back turned. An example of this is for our explorer post. Every time that we would use a truck or piece of equipment it would get cleaned and put back and be in better condition than what we found it in. Most people would just rinse the truck off but I scrub it whether it needs it or not. Many times I have stayed at the station after most of the firefighters have gone home after a run and washed the trucks they took out. I am good at delegation of authority, an example of this would be for a structure fire I would put a experienced firefighter on attack and put an less experienced guy with him so he can learn while perform his duties. I treat people as if they were my actual brothers and sisters. I have their back no matter what. If I see that someone is struggling with a task then I do whatever I can to help them out anyway possible.
I feel I am the best candidate for lieutenant because I feel I possess the skills that are required for this officer position. If I receive the position of lieutenant I can promise you that I will not let you down.
I was just curious of what everyone thought of my essay.
IF you are in Virginia and an explorer and are allowed to work car fires or any other fires, I sure would like to know more.
Send me a PM with all the details, department, when and where, dates, etc.
ttexplorer48 - if things in these forums upset and bother you, you are going to have a very hard time in a fire house, once the members find out how thin skin you are.
OK, GETTING BACK ON THE SUBJECT OF GEAR... NOT GRAMMAR (although I do agree it is very important)...
For those of you saying that the explorers do not need fire gear:
If insurance companies and SOPs require the actual firefighters to use full gear during trainings (WHICH EXPLORERS DO PARTICIPATE IN) then shouldn't explorers be required to wear full gear? YES. For most pump operations, which most explorers are allowed to participate in, most fire departments require at LEAST bunker pants, fire boots, fire/extrication gloves, and a fire helmet. So if you have an explorer doing pump operations for a training, they need to have fire gear.
Now, my department does not have any we can donate, but this is how we got our DONATED GEAR (yes our gear was donated):
Make a flier explaining what you need and why. List some things your explorers are legally allowed to do that would require gear. Print 50-100 of the fliers and send them to every department you can think of, even if your department doesn't associate with them. A good idea would be to have your Chief sign the fliers, and attach his (or your explorer advisor's) email address. Chances are you will get more than what you need.
I like you, your funny!. I struggle with this every day and if you want to be something so should you.
Everything we do is in the eye of the public and we need to act, speak and look professional. How you present yourself in the public is a direct reflection on your department and I am sure they all appreciate a good public opinion. We do write LEGAL reports that can be called to court and when you get called as the writer of the report and they make you look like a fool on the stand for how you wrote your report it does not go well. Not that any of us aim for that, but sometimes we all get lazy after a many hour call in the early hours of the morning with lots of personnel and water flowed and many things going on that all need to be recorded and reported. Just keep all that in mind.
As for the gear, it is hard in this economy for a department to justify getting new gear for many members let alone the explorers. I do feel that explorers need full turnout gear since they should be training right along with the rest of us and doing that in coveralls does not do justice. We have our recruits in the gear that has been passed down from when we could afford new gear and not all of it matches and some is a little wore out too. It is hard and I understand the frustration for not looking like the rest of the department.
Some suggestions would be check with local departments if they have any gear they could donate since it will be served at least somewhat near by. I would follow Explorer Asst Chief Fern advice and make fliers for them to be passed out as it looks like you are taking the time and is more professional than just swinging by and asking for handouts.
Good luck to you and take some advice from these fellas here that have a lot of time and experience in this profession. Sometimes the officers giving the interviews may seem to be grumpy tough skinned individuals that you will have to deal with and treat respectfully regardless of what they say to you.
1. Explorers/JRs will not be conducting any operations in the hot zone, just ask RS1606, nor will they be experiencing any life threatening situations outside of training scenarios.
2. LKQVFD499, when stating the safety of donated gear will not be up to par, why not have the Explorers conduct a gear inspection, afterall it is a hands-on skill.
3. The more sweat any Explorer or Junior puts into learning a new skill will serve them better on fireground operations and even stay with them throughout their fire service career.
4. Why spend precious resources on buying Explorers/JRs new gear when there are line firefighters who need gear more than them? Firefighters know how take care of new gear, Explorers/JRs might destroy them on the first day of receiving the gear.
Juniors here are issued the same PPE as firefighters, right down to the Nomex hood.
As a rule, they do not receive new gear, but the gear they are issued have passed inspection and have no holes, rips, tares or any other defect that would create a safety issue.
Basically, if we wouldn't issue it to a firefighter, it's not issued to a junior.
Our juniors are allowed to participate in live fire training, including burn house fires, and are often tasked to conduct overhaul at structural and vehicle incidents under the supervision of an officer or senior member as preparation for full duty at age 18. To issue them gear not up to the task would not be providing them with the protection they deserve.
There have been situations where juniors have received new gear. Generally, if they have been active, and have achieved a high level of training, we will purchase and issue new gear when they get within 6-8 months of turning 18.
It's one way of letting them know that you beleive they are ready and prepared to take the next step in the fire service.