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    Question Converting Classroom to Bunk Room - Help Needed!

    We are an industrial fire department that is considering going from a 12 hour shift schedule to a 24/48 schedule.

    We have a large classroom that is split down the middle using a temporary wall divider to make two separate classrooms.

    The east classroom has one door leading to a hallway.

    The west classroom has two doors, one to the same hallway, one to the kitchen.

    We want to convert the west classroom to a bunk room.

    We will need to divide this classroom in half, making a women's room and a men's.

    The question is, when we divide this classroom, do we need to make TWO means of egress (two doors) on each the men's and women's side to stay within building codes.

    A maximum of 5 people will be on station sleeping at any given time. We currently only have two women on the roster, but the room sizes will be the same.

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    Leave the women at home cleaning house and you won't have to worry about it!!!! Bahahahahaha.
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    As long as you leave the axe on the wall it can be used to provide a secondary means of egress if needed.

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    What's up with the DOT placards?

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    FireRescue61, Its a classroom, they are posted for HazMat classes. It beats having plain white walls

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue61 View Post
    What's up with the DOT placards?
    Did you somehow miss the whole "we are an industrial fire department" thing?

    OP, check your local codes. Are you considering putting in more temp. walls or building permanant ones?
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    We have discussed either way -- up for suggestions right now.

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    I went through this about two years ago at another department.

    Yes they will need separate doors. This is for the privacy factor and code. This touches on a moral obligation to do the correct thing for the protection of the firefighters personal expectation of privacy when dealing with the opposite sex.

    I'm not sure when we will adopt a unisex bunk arrangement for the Fire Service. But, it is already happening in EMS.

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    I hear painting a dorm in dark blue is very soothing.

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    You need either a window or door directly to the outside from each sleeping area

    Is this building under a city jurisdiction?? If do contact the building department

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    One big matress and a bunch of pillows.
    Logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny46 View Post
    One big matress and a bunch of pillows.
    You have seen our EMS bunkroom?
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    issue unisex pjs and just have a unisex bunk room.

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    What are the dimensions of the room to be sub-divided into bunk rooms?
    that will give a lot better idea of how to make it work.
    Also are both women on same shift?
    If the room is wide enough made it into a row of cubicles with sliding pocket doors on each cubicle opening onto the common hall which will give access to both egresses.
    More ideas after you get the dimensions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    issue unisex pjs and just have a unisex bunk room.
    I know this is a serious issue and we should not make light of it......


    but.....












































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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    What are the dimensions of the room to be sub-divided into bunk rooms?
    that will give a lot better idea of how to make it work.
    Also are both women on same shift?
    If the room is wide enough made it into a row of cubicles with sliding pocket doors on each cubicle opening onto the common hall which will give access to both egresses.
    More ideas after you get the dimensions.
    We did this and call them PODS. Each member has their own POD, measuring about 8 x 8 feet. The issue will be adequate ventilation to each POD. They are just used for sleeping or private time and don't require much space.

    There is enough room for a twin bed, a small desk and a locking closet for personal items. We installed small Monitors on the walls so they can watch cable.

    What more could you ask for? A clean bed, room for your laptop, free cable TV (that you don't have to fight for the remote)....



    Room Service perhaps...
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    It is a fricken shame we can't act like adults and have unisex dorms.

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    Tried that in college...

    It lasted about one day.... until the admin found out about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinKnight View Post
    We did this and call them PODS. Each member has their own POD, measuring about 8 x 8 feet. The issue will be adequate ventilation to each POD. They are just used for sleeping or private time and don't require much space.

    There is enough room for a twin bed, a small desk and a locking closet for personal items. We installed small Monitors on the walls so they can watch cable.

    What more could you ask for? A clean bed, room for your laptop, free cable TV (that you don't have to fight for the remote)....



    Room Service perhaps...
    Exactly what I was thinking about. We had these same setups when I was stationed overseas. We converted a couple of long store rooms into dorm cubicles so the we could each have a small private space to get away from the crowd , & sleeping without listening to the neighbor snore . [or expell gas]/
    We split the hvac line into individual drops for each cubicle and put louvers in the doors for exhaust. Worked well at a reasonable cost. All steel stud and drywall with insulation in walls for soundproofing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301
    It is a fricken shame we can't act like adults and have unisex dorms.
    And here I thought most departments were like ours. No separation of the dorms. All the women sleep in the same area as the men do. As far as I know, it's never been an issue.

    The only separation is, yep, the heads.

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