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    I have been searching the internet for hours and I have yet to find anywhere in an [U]Official doucument that says a volunteer fire fighter cannot have or run lights pov. Can anyone please point me in the right direction or show me in an official document that says other wise. Also just found out that Alabama is an open carry state. Most cops dont even know this but if anyone want any further info they can go to www.alabamaopencarry.com. 100% legal to carry a pistol in the open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighter42709 View Post
    I have been searching the internet for hours
    It took me 5 minutes to find out that you can't display non-factory lights on your POV unless you're parked and even then you can't display blue lights of any kind. (Start with 32-5-241(d)(3) of the Code of Alabama and work from there...)

    Of course, all you needed to do was ask your Chief.

    100% legal to carry a pistol in the open.
    Except at a demonstration, in a vehicle, or anywhere posted no firearms.

    Have fun walking around carrying your pistol. I'm sure you can use all the flashing lights you want when you're walking, too.
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    Long time Alabama vollie here.

    In short, what DM said. Heck, there was a thread on this forum last week about the very subject.

    Correcting Alabama vollie's misconception about POV lights is just about the only reason I'll post here anymore.

    You can dig through the Code of Alabama at http://legislature.state.al.us if you don't want to believe me, or simply search for posts using my username here since I've posted all the applicable code sections several times.

    Here's the law in a nutshell.

    The only vehicles that can legally use emergency lights are authorized emergency vehicles. These include police cars, ambulances, and fire trucks. Police cars use blue, EMS and fire use red.

    In order for any other vehicle (ie, POV) to be considered an authorized emergency vehicle, that vehicle must be so designated by the Director of Public Safety (state trooper head) or a municipal police chief. The county sheriff can't make the designation. FYI, the next volunteer FF POV that the public safety director designates as an authorized emergency vehicle will be the first. It is possible that somewhere a local police chief has designated some, but you won't find many because he's assuming liability for the operator's actions.

    White strobes aren't prohibited and you could probably get by with a yellow wrecker light, but neither grant you any right to request the right of way. As far as that goes, even if you could run a light, Alabama law also says that in order to request the right of way, you must be using both visual and audible warning devices.

    Many, many Alabama vollies openly flaunt the law. Some troopers and police officers just look the other way, others break out the ticket book. It just isn't worth it. Using an illegal light opens you up to traffic tickets and should you be in an accident the plaintiff attorney will crucify you.

    Oh, and on the open carry thing. Again, DM is right. If you've got it in a vehicle you must have a concealed carry permit. Furthermore, walking down the street openly carrying a firearm is going to get you constant conversations with law enforcement. Just because you can do something doesn't always mean you should. Get your concealed carry permit. Alabama is pretty much a must issue state. If you don't have a record, for $20 a year or less you can avoid scrutiny and carry at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighter42709 View Post
    I have been searching the internet for hours and I have yet to find anywhere in an [U]Official doucument that says a volunteer fire fighter cannot have or run lights pov. Can anyone please point me in the right direction or show me in an official document that says other wise. Also just found out that Alabama is an open carry state. Most cops dont even know this but if anyone want any further info they can go to www.alabamaopencarry.com. 100% legal to carry a pistol in the open.
    If you want to look like one so badly, why not just become a cop?

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    Hey brother, give me your hand and I will lead you to the thread already in progress.




    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116539 (Alabama POV)
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    I just realized you're the same person that started the thread last week, which means you're either trolling or you've really got your heart set on that Whacker 5000 from Gall's.

    If you're a troll, well done. You hooked me. Just in case you're not, I'm going to now show you in black and white. All references below come from section 32 of the Code of Alabama.

    Let's start with what color lights go with what vehicle. That's found in 32-5A-115.

    The color of the lighted lamp exhibited by police vehicles may be red or blue and the color of the lighted lamp exhibited by the fire department and other authorized emergency vehicles, including ambulances, shall be red. No vehicle other than a police vehicle will use a blue light. An amber or yellow light may be installed on any vehicle or class of vehicles designated by the Director of Public Safety, but such light shall serve as a warning or caution light only, and shall not cause other vehicles to yield the right-of-way.

    Now that we know what color lights to use, we need to know what we can do with them. You can find those limitations in 32-5A-7. Particularly important is the part that says:

    The exemptions herein granted to an authorized emergency vehicle shall apply only when such vehicle is making use of an audible signal meeting the requirements of Section 32-5-213 and visual requirements of any laws of this state requiring visual signals on emergency vehicles. 32-5-213 makes this rule easy to follow because it says Every police and fire department and fire patrol vehicle and every ambulance used for emergency calls shall be equipped with a siren, bell, ululating multi-toned horns or other electronic siren type device approved by the Director of Public Safety.

    So now we know what kinds of devices we can use on Authorized Emergency Vehicles, leaving the big question - what is an Authorized Emergency Vehicle?

    That question is fully and completely answered in 32-1-1.1. It is a big section, but the part of interest in this discussion tells us that an Authorized Emergency Vehicle is: Such fire department vehicles, police vehicles and ambulances as are publicly owned, and such other publicly or privately owned vehicles as are designated by the Director of Public Safety or the chief of police of an incorporated city.

    No matter how many time you ask the question, the answer's still the same. Unless a specific exemption (for the vehicle, not the driver) has been granted, emergency lights on privately owned vehicles are illegal in Alabama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840 View Post
    In short, what DM said. Heck, there was a thread on this forum last week about the very subject.
    It was started by the same OP. Apparently he didn't like the responses.
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    The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

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    You guys might not want to p!ss him off --- hes packing.

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    Another one of those:

    "I need them because I'm special"





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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840 View Post
    I just realized you're the same person that started the thread last week, which means you're either trolling or you've really got your heart set on that Whacker 5000 from Gall's.

    If you're a troll, well done. You hooked me. Just in case you're not, I'm going to now show you in black and white. All references below come from section 32 of the Code of Alabama.

    Let's start with what color lights go with what vehicle. That's found in 32-5A-115.

    The color of the lighted lamp exhibited by police vehicles may be red or blue and the color of the lighted lamp exhibited by the fire department and other authorized emergency vehicles, including ambulances, shall be red. No vehicle other than a police vehicle will use a blue light. An amber or yellow light may be installed on any vehicle or class of vehicles designated by the Director of Public Safety, but such light shall serve as a warning or caution light only, and shall not cause other vehicles to yield the right-of-way.

    Now that we know what color lights to use, we need to know what we can do with them. You can find those limitations in 32-5A-7. Particularly important is the part that says:

    The exemptions herein granted to an authorized emergency vehicle shall apply only when such vehicle is making use of an audible signal meeting the requirements of Section 32-5-213 and visual requirements of any laws of this state requiring visual signals on emergency vehicles. 32-5-213 makes this rule easy to follow because it says Every police and fire department and fire patrol vehicle and every ambulance used for emergency calls shall be equipped with a siren, bell, ululating multi-toned horns or other electronic siren type device approved by the Director of Public Safety.

    So now we know what kinds of devices we can use on Authorized Emergency Vehicles, leaving the big question - what is an Authorized Emergency Vehicle?

    That question is fully and completely answered in 32-1-1.1. It is a big section, but the part of interest in this discussion tells us that an Authorized Emergency Vehicle is: Such fire department vehicles, police vehicles and ambulances as are publicly owned, and such other publicly or privately owned vehicles as are designated by the Director of Public Safety or the chief of police of an incorporated city.

    No matter how many time you ask the question, the answer's still the same. Unless a specific exemption (for the vehicle, not the driver) has been granted, emergency lights on privately owned vehicles are illegal in Alabama.
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    Alabama Codes are specific when it comes to using Emergency lights in a Privately owned Vehicle. Especially BLUE, Red lights cannot be viewed from the front of a POV, matter of fact, any red lettering in the front of a POV can be cited as illegal.. Yet red lights can be viewd from the rear of a vehicle. What I find ironic is that organized "Rescue Squads" can use reds in their POV's. Welcome to the Heart of Dixie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasl View Post
    Alabama Codes are specific when it comes to using Emergency lights in a Privately owned Vehicle. Especially BLUE, Red lights cannot be viewed from the front of a POV, matter of fact, any red lettering in the front of a POV can be cited as illegal.. Yet red lights can be viewd from the rear of a vehicle. What I find ironic is that organized "Rescue Squads" can use reds in their POV's. Welcome to the Heart of Dixie!
    STAY SAFE! SEMPER FI
    In a word, NO.

    I've posted excerpts from and links to the appropriate code sections above.

    The law makes absolutely no mention of viewable from the front or rear and places no restriction on any lettering. It also makes no exemption for rescue squads. The only vehicles that can use lights legally are authorized emergency vehicles - the definition of which I've posted above.

    If you can prove me wrong, post a link to the code section.

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    32-5A-7

    EMERGENCY VEHICLES

    2) No person shall drive or move any vehicle or equipment upon any highway with any lamp or device thereon displaying a red light visible from directly in front of the center thereof. This section shall not apply to authorized emergency vehicles.

    32-5-241

    d) Special restriction on lamps.

    (2) No person shall drive or move any vehicle or equipment upon any highway with any lamp or device thereon displaying a red light visible from directly in front of the center thereof. This section shall not apply to authorized emergency vehicles.

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    http://dps.alabama.gov/Documents/Doc...e-Aug-2012.pdf

    Alabama Law for Volunteer First-Responder
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    any communities rely on volunteer fire departments
    for their fire protection and EMS response.
    We as Alabama State Troopers often work alongside v
    olunteer firefighters and EMS volunteers, and
    we appreciate the efforts of these volunteers.
    This brochure is provided to educate volunteer fire
    and EMS personnel as to their responsibilities and
    legal considerations while responding to calls for
    service in an effort to keep them
    -- and the community they serve -- safe.
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    : As a volunteer firefighter, may I use red lights
    and a siren in my personal vehicle when responding
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    A:
    No. Alabama State law restricts the use of emerge
    ncy lights and siren to designated emergency
    vehicles.
    Q:
    Who can designate a vehicle as an “emergency vehic
    le”?
    A:
    Alabama State law (code T32-5A-115) states that o
    nly the director of the Alabama
    Department of Public Safety or police chief of an i
    ncorporated city has the authority to designate a
    vehicle as such.
    Q:
    Will the director of ADPS designate a personal or
    privately owned vehicle as an “emergency
    vehicle”?
    A:
    No. Only a “publicly owned” vehicle will be consid
    ered for designation as an “emergency vehicle.”
    Q:
    As a volunteer firefighter or volunteer EMS operat
    ing a privately owned vehicle, am I able to violate
    such traffic laws as speed limit, red lights, stop
    signs, etc., when responding to calls for service?
    A:
    No. While operating a privately owned vehicle, you
    are required to obey all laws.
    Q:
    If I am qualified and am driving the department’s f
    ire truck or other emergency vehicles to a call wit
    h
    lights and siren activated, am I allowed to violate
    traffic laws?
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    State law allows emergency vehicle operators, while
    responding to emergency calls, to violate traffic
    laws ONLY while demonstrating due regard for public
    safety. (For example, when responding to an

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