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    Default Smokejumping and the structural world?

    I know this may seem like it would be better in the wildland section, but as a career path from starting in wildland going into the structural world would spending time as a smokejumper be a good way to start and build a career from? or should one go strait to applying to a city department?

    Is wildland or smokejumping experience beneficial to an applicant to a city departement?

    Does anyone know anything about how to become a smokejumper?

    Does anyone have any other info about smokejumpers?

    Any incite would benefit me greatly as I am relatively new to fire fighting and would like to make a career out of it.

    Thank you for your time.

    (please no links to sites that I could easily get by typing smokejumper into google, I'm looking for personal knowledge of the subject)

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    how old are you??

    smokejumping is seasonal for beginners

    hurst when you do not land correctly

    two different firefighting enviroments

    might help you get in shape

    check some of the history or discovery channels, they seem to be a little tougher now a days on training seesm alittle worse then marines!!!

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    I can't help but think it would make for an interesting interview.

    Sure beats pumping gas for a resume builder.
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    check you tube for some video

    i know you do not want links but:::

    http://www.smokejumpers.com/smokejum...editions_id=11

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    While it is certainly a parallel career, I see guys and gals that go to the brush firefighting career path fall way behind their conterparts who stay focused on getting hired on municipal departments. The primary reason for this is the duration of the fire season. It usually begins in may and runs through December (on the West Coast). This schedule makes it impossible to go to school and take EMT and fire science which are prerequisites for the basic fire academy. The academy sets you apart from your competition and is often required just to take the entry level tests.

    Having said all of this, I really appreciate it as a strike team leader when I have a firefighter on one of my engines who is a brush expert. The reality is that this is a very small part of a structural firefighter's job.
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    Thank you for your incite,
    with that I would like to pose some additional questions that pertain more to my situation, I didn't ask this first so I could get an unbiased opinion about smokejumping first, I personally work as a wildland firefighter and EMT-B while I am in school (fire in the summer, school in the winter) additionally I have been a volunteer fire fighter for the fire department that serves my school and surrounding community, I am preparing to transfer from a community college to a university to obtain my Bachelor of Science in nursing, with the intent of once I am an RN to go into UCLA's paramedic program for RN's (http://www.cpc.mednet.ucla.edu/cpc/course/rntopm), currently I have the option to apply to smokejump, I would have to take half a year off of school which would set me a whole year off my planed start date at the university if I was to be selected, I would like to know if this plan would set me up in a good position to get a job in structural fire later in life once I decide to settle down?

    Would it help to have the smokejumping experience in addition to the wildland experience, RN and EMT-P? I would still continue to work in wildfire while in school either way just possibly on an engine or hand crew.

    Would the RN in addition to EMT-P help me get a city fire job?
    (questions raised by my significant other and my family)

    Any info on any of these subjects really helps.

    Once again thank you for your time.

    P.S fire49 to answer your question I am 23, also thank you for your link it was a good read.
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    guess you have to look at where you want to be in 5 and 10 years

    if you want to smokejump just to say you did it then go for it for a few years

    will it help in applying for a city job, more them likey not much

    RN vs paramedic, it is a good fall back to have, and great paying off duty job

    not a medic, but would give you more knowledge

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    what state are you in???

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    Im in California, also im not concerned with RN vs paramedic, I am deffiently doing my RN and since I love fire I know I would need my paramedic to apply it toward a fire department application since I dont know many fire departments with RN positions, I am just curious if the additial medical train I would have would make me stand out on an application.

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    RN doesn't do much for you. Paramedic certainly does. To my lack of knowledge, I would classify wild land and smoke jumping as the same thing....
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    You will only be able to function as a paramedic, nothing higher, so I doubt the extra medical training would do much for you. Most departments will be glad you have SOME experience rather than being fresh out of school.
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    Smokejumpers are the Top of the Wildland game, ( Its Hot-spot retirement.) If you spend the time to get to that level you will have a very good background in more than just firefighting tactics.
    The only down side is that jumping is physical and there is a chance of getting hurt, before making it into the structural side of it. IMHO Showing you where a jumper would dam sure help your application out, more so that a RN. Also remember you can turn a FF into a Medic, but rarely a Medic into a FF.
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    reposted from your other thread
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    I'm sorry but I don't understand exactly what a smoke jumper is.

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    Thank you all for the advice and perspective, I will definitely take it into account.

    So, as an update I have discussed this subject with my captain and he has introduced a third option. The option is for me to drop out of school and become a permanent employee; he believes that I would be able to make captain in 5 to 6 years. He will support my decision to take any of the three options by: recommending me for a seasonal smokejumper job while I go to school (I would have to take a year off of school essentially though), having me work for him as a seasonal lead fire fighter while I go to school (finish with my BSN/RN and EMT-P in about 4 to 5 years), or recommend me for a permanent job that would allow me to move up quickly to captain. (I would still want to get my EMT-P at some point though) I would like to get a structural fire job down the road when I settle down, my significant other has made it very clear to me that she does not want me to be a career wildland firefighter (due to the time spent away from home in the summer). With that said I was hoping to get some more perspective.

    With the option of making captain in a short time, where would being a wildland captain put me in terms of applying to a structural department? And if I chose this route, at what point should I get my EMT-P? Before becoming permanent, after being permanent (but before applying to a structural department), or after getting a structural job?

    What route would put me in the best position to get a job with a structural department?

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to help me with these issues I greatly appreciate the perspective of the wider firefighting community.

    (Also should I post this question as a new thread or is this still covered under the original topic?)

    To answer Larsen 2430 a smokejumper is a wildland firefighter that is capable of parachuting to a fire or other incident. Some have described them as the top of the wildland firefighting world, all I know is that they are very highly trained and experienced. http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/people/smokejumpers/

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    If the permeant job is structural sounds like that is the route for you, since you have a significant other involved

    Maybe in future some how do some wildland if you still want to

    Paramedic option;::::

    http://www.trainingdivision.com/EMT_P.asp

    And there are online options for RN

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    Default decision?

    Have you made a decision?

    Wildland fire is just that in the eyes of structure, and vice versa, mostly.
    If you like, and want to use your body for a long time, maybe you should impact as less as possible, or with the lesser amount of possible injury.

    I would go the route that allowed my to make the most amount of money, WHILE continuing my education, and fulfilling my obligations to my significant other. Additionally, if you want to get into structure, go do it. Now. At any department you can put up with, for 3 years, till you can go where you want. And get your medical training in. Med stuff is great for structure. Wildland is good for, well, wildland, and management. You don't need to jump. You need to go after a department job.

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    Yeah I don't want to go to a structural department, I like working in wildland fire. I worked on a wildland engine and as a volunteer on a structural engine and really did not enjoy working on engines, I just want to know where a solid career in wildland fire (especially as a smokejumper, I am a rookie right now) will put me when it comes to the day that I leave wildland fire in order to settle down a little bit to start a family? I will be applying for a BSN program in the spring, after the BSN program I intend on completing a RN to Paramedic program also, so I thought I would add that to the question to give everyone an idea of what I would be bringing when I apply to departments, so with that in mind would I be a competitive candidate for a structural fire department, especially one in California with a wildland program? (I would prefer a county department)

    To recap the qualifications on my application: 10-12 years as a wildland firefighter, with at least 3 years spent smokejumping, Bachelors degree in nursing specializing in emergency medicine, paramedic, California state fire marshal firefighter 1, red carded crew boss, red carded IC type 4(initial attack IC), 2 years as volunteer firefighter, and as a volunteer 1 of those years was spent as a driver/operator on a type 1 structural engine.
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