Thread: Donning PPE quicker.
09-23-2010, 11:18 PM #1
Donning PPE quicker.
I recently donned my PPE for the first time and miserably failed at getting the 60 second mark.
Any tips to put it on faster or techniques?
09-23-2010, 11:49 PM #2
09-23-2010, 11:55 PM #3
09-23-2010, 11:56 PM #4
09-23-2010, 11:58 PM #5
- Join Date
- Jul 1999
- Rural Wisconsin, Retired from the burbs of Milwaukee
1) Bunker pants
2) hood, leave it up on your head
4) Gut belt
Repetition, repitition, repitition. Work on smoothness and getting it on right FIRST. Then work on getting faster.Crazy, but that's how it goes
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09-24-2010, 12:25 AM #6
Working faster does not always translate to being quick.
Everyone is different as to their own style. Watch others and find your groove. As Fyred suggests, learn to do it correct, then work on your speed.
Try laying your helmet and gloves out in front of you to the sides of your coat. This is quicker than pulling them out of your pockets.
I teach my guys to pull their hood over their head, then down around their neck. The hard part will be when you pull it back up to cover your mask. So placement is important. Some try to pull the bottom and miss the face opening altogether, so you must get used to this as well. Every second counts.
The quickest I have ever seen anyone put on PPE With SCBA and taking the first breath is 38 seconds; Skinny guy about 28 years old. His method was flawless and smooth (Fyred's word). He usually won the bunker-up contest whenever he competed, for years. His average was around 55 seconds but he could certainly turn it up when he chose.
Practice...HAVE PLAN.............WILL TRAVEL
09-24-2010, 02:13 AM #7
09-24-2010, 02:57 AM #8
09-24-2010, 10:27 AM #9
The more you do this, the better you will be. Kind of like riding a bicycle, once your learn that trait, every thing afterwards is nothing!
Same thing goes for be married as well!Stay Safe and Well Out There....
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09-24-2010, 10:55 AM #10
Practice. Practice. Practice."Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.
09-24-2010, 01:01 PM #11
I know youtube has vids of guys donning their gear for time (must have been a slow day at the house). Maybe it would help to watch how they do it and then figure out your own technique. But after that practice, practice, practice like mentioned by those before me.
I remember doing this years ago for our academy and starting out at around 65 secs, and after 2 hrs of solid practicing with another recruit I had it down to a consistant 45.
09-25-2010, 12:14 PM #12
- Join Date
- Jul 2001
- Not the end of the earth but I can see it from here...
Lay out all your gear the same way every time so you know automatically where everything is and don't have to look for it. Practice getting all the motions down smoothly and consistently until you start to build muscle memory and it becomes automatic. Finally, if you are going to be timed for qualification, borrow some gloves that are a size or two larger than your regular ones. I've seen quite a few guys nail most of the donning then get hung up for 15 or 20 seconds struggling to get their gloves on. It's a little bit of a cheat, I guess, but it helps.Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
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09-25-2010, 12:42 PM #13
Put crisco on your arms and legs.I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.
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09-26-2010, 11:05 PM #14
Get a rythm down, even if it is slow, commit it to muscle memory. Then work on speed. You will get it down eventually. From when I started to know I have probably dropped 20 seconds. I could probably sing a song and don gear its gotten that rythmic
09-30-2010, 12:28 AM #15
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- Jul 2010
I'll try to cut some time out for you. My advice is RELAX when donning. Don't lolligag, but do relax. When you're trying to fiddle with everything at the speed of light, your motions are erratic, jerky, and hard to control. Erratic, jerky motions can make a task as simple as buckling your helmet chinstrap take what seems like ages. When you're relaxed you can execute each motion successfully the first time and not get yourself ****ed off when you can't seem to perform a simple movement.
10-07-2010, 06:18 PM #16A coward stands by and watches wrongs committed without saying a word...Any opinions expressed are purely my own and not necessarily reflective of the views of my former departments
10-07-2010, 06:36 PM #17
in the Marines sgt hahn told me "slow is smooth, and smooth is fast." you'll get there with a bit of practice and consistancy once you find what can speed you up. arrangement of the gear is first, kneeling after your pants are on helps too.Originally Posted by madden01
"and everyone is encouraged to use Plain, Spelled Out English. I thought this was covered in NIMS training."
10-07-2010, 07:33 PM #18
Find a way that donning your gear works for you. (For me, it's Pants, hood, coat, gut belt, pack, mask, helmet, gloves.)
Practice it SLOW and THOROUGH. Do it right before you do it fast.
Once you get it right, EVERY TIME, work on picking up the pace. The more you do it right, the more natural it will come to you, and the faster you will be able to do it.
It really comes down to practice, practice, practice.
10-07-2010, 08:18 PM #19
Or just sleep in your bunker gear.....
I'm kidding, of course, but I've known a couple guys who might just think this a viable option....
10-07-2010, 09:44 PM #20Originally Posted by SRT936
Accused of doing that on a scene...
I only do it if I have time.HAVE PLAN.............WILL TRAVEL
10-07-2010, 11:12 PM #21
10-07-2010, 11:16 PM #22
10-08-2010, 02:03 PM #23
just relax, i leave mine where i store it and the scba still on the truck, can be ready in a min.10 sec, but we never leave the station with scba on and never stow my bunkers spread out on the floor so i just practice as they would normaly be..
have fun with it!
10-10-2010, 05:37 PM #24
Before you worry about putting it on fast you should focus on putting it on properly.
It won't matter if you don it in 30 seconds if your mask doesn't seal, you burn your neck because your hood\collar isn't on properly or if your helmet falls off because the chin strap isn't secure.
Some types of gear are just easier to put on than others. My last pair of boots were some sort of combo structure\wildland things that weren't good for either and were a bitch to put on and even harder to get off. On the other hand our new turnout pants have no zipper, just velcro and a belt clip, very fast.My wise and profound comments and opinions are mine alone and are in no way associated with any other individual or group.
10-11-2010, 12:43 AM #25
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- Sep 2009
what worked for me was to start with your hood pre set in one of your boots with the face opening set up for when you put it on. your face is right there. then with your bunker pants. There has been one word that has been the truth in the whole topic. Practaice. Even though I do like the Oil, crisco, and silicon spray Ideas. I will deffinatly have to try that with the rookies next summer.
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