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    OBION COUNTY, Tenn. - Imagine your home catches fire but the local fire department won't respond, then watches it burn. That's exactly what happened to a local family tonight.
    A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.
    The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late. They wouldn't do anything to stop his house from burning.
    Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton. But the Cranicks did not pay.
    The mayor said if homeowners don't pay, they're out of luck.

    http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/tn-st...104052668.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon Jones View Post
    OBION COUNTY, Tenn. - Imagine your home catches fire but the local fire department won't respond, then watches it burn. That's exactly what happened to a local family tonight.
    A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.
    The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late. They wouldn't do anything to stop his house from burning.
    Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton. But the Cranicks did not pay.
    The mayor said if homeowners don't pay, they're out of luck.

    http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/tn-st...104052668.html
    Guess next time they'll pay the seventy five bucks.
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    Tell you what -- just cancell your insurance on your vehicle and when you have a wreck --- offer to pay your premium.

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    Do the county residents expect the city to provide them fire protection free of charge? Either pay up (in advance) or form your own fire department.

    Usually subscription departments would make a rescue if there were trapped occupants, but if it's just property, sorry it's gone... if you're not a subscriber.

    I'm wondering if this guy's insurance company knew he had to have a subscription for protection but chose not to purchase one.
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    Resident knew fire protection cost $75/yr.

    Resident chose not to pay for said fire protection service.

    Resident now doesn't understand why his house burned down.

    Resident is an idiot.
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    I bet if any other residents have an outstanding balance they PAY UP!!!
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    All's it takes is one example to prove something is serious. Paying you dues are serious you can't pay for health insurance after you have a accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon Jones View Post
    OBION COUNTY, Tenn. - Imagine your home catches fire but the local fire department won't respond, then watches it burn. That's exactly what happened to a local family tonight.
    A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.
    The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late. They wouldn't do anything to stop his house from burning.
    Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton. But the Cranicks did not pay.
    The mayor said if homeowners don't pay, they're out of luck.

    http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/tn-st...104052668.html
    Too bad. If they allowed him to pay when his house was on fire NO ONE would pay and the fire department would simply not exist because they woud have no funding.

    He decided to play the odds and he lost. The homeowner made a horible decision that cost him his house. I would bet others will pay up if they are past due. The insurance analogy is right on. if he hadn't been paying his homeowner's insurance and the house burned down the insurance company is not going to say okay we will take your payment now so we can pay off on your loss. If you take risks sometimes you pay the price. $75 dollars for the year? Please, what a bargain.

    By the way, the ONLY WAY I would accept payment at the fire is if the payment was ridiculously expensive, such as $1000.
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    Geez - the fire portion of my tax bill (a separate line item) is pretty close to $75. Since it's part of my property tax, I never overlook it.

    Maybe they should just do the same - put a $75 charge on everybody's property tax bill and pay the city.

    Or better yet, levy the charge based on the property value, like mine.

    This guy rolled the dice and lost. Like Memphis says - odds are a lot of people are anteing up that cash now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    I bet if any other residents have an outstanding balance they PAY UP!!!
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    [QUOTE=This guy rolled the dice and lost. Like Memphis says - odds are a lot of people are anteing up that cash now...[/QUOTE]

    This is probably the reason the mayor is cracking down on non payers its a harsh reality but every agency needs money volunteer or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtucker1384 View Post
    All's it takes is one example to prove something is serious. Paying you dues are serious you can't pay for health insurance after you have a accident.
    You, and anyone else that compares this type of situation, are comparing apples to oranges. Insurance is NOT a service. Insurance is a product that provides you compensation should you or your property be damaged. The lack of health insurance DOES NOT preclude you from recieving emergency care. Read the sign on the ER door if you doubt me.

    Fire protection is NOT a product, it is a service. Our job as firefighters is to protect people's lives, their property, and the environment.

    While I'm not familiar with Tennessee's laws, I'm willing to be they aren't much different than those in Missouri or other states that still allow for subscription-based services. I'd be willing to bet there's a provision in the statutes that allow for the fire department to bill extensively for responding to a non-member fire. In Missouri it's $100 to respond, $500 per hour, plus that year's membership fee. They could easily have made 10 years' worth of dues off that one fire.

    As for whoever said the guy knew about the fee, I can't argue that, but did he know about the rules regarding nonpayment? According to the article (if you read more than what was posted on the forum), that's not the case. People expect emergency services to be there, payment or not. Most who do not make the annual payment realize they will be billed for services if they didn't (much like health insurance ).

    I'm overly familiar with this kind of case. A few years back a neighboring department did the same thing and made national headlines for watching a person's mechanics shop burn. The primary issue with these membership-based departments are that they do not make everyone aware of the requirement of dues, nor the reprecussions of not paying them.

    I'm with Chief Woods. Let me know if you get anywhere with it Harve, it'd be handy information for me and some others in the future.

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    All's I was stating was how i can see where it comes from. I personally think it is wrong to stand there and do nothing especially when you have the resources to do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtucker1384 View Post
    All's I was stating was how i can see where it comes from. I personally think it is wrong to stand there and do nothing especially when you have the resources to do something.
    I'm just doing the same. I only picked out your post to quote as it was the one that caught my eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Resident knew fire protection cost $75/yr.

    Resident chose not to pay for said fire protection service.

    Resident now doesn't understand why his house burned down.

    Resident is an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    I don't agree........ And I think Federal Law supports my Position. I'll be emailing the Environmental Protection Agency to see how big a Fine they can hand the Fire Department that allowed a Gross violation of the Clean Air Act to continue without taking some form of action........
    Ya I am With you on this on Harv, That Was Kinda Chicken **** it sounds Like something they could have knocked down before everything was lost.

    I do Agree that it is a Service that they do need to pay for, But Dam guys....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtucker1384 View Post
    All's I was stating was how i can see where it comes from. I personally think it is wrong to stand there and do nothing especially when you have the resources to do something.
    You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you don't help like they did, you will have people thinking they have no sympathy and no compassion. If you do help, what message are you sending to the hundreds or thousands of others that did pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayburgeyENG25 View Post
    You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you don't help like they did, you will have people thinking they have no sympathy and no compassion. If you do help, what message are you sending to the hundreds or thousands of others that did pay?
    Tell them to pay it before you leave and to keep there mouth shut, then this Never makes National News.

    The ones that did pay never know, Nor do the Ones that didn't pay.

    From what i understand this sounds Like a Type 6, with min. Staffing could have handled this thing in under a hour.
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    I have mixed feelings about this.

    1. The homeowner is a idiot, 75 dollars for fire protection is a really good price.

    2. Fire dept, put the damn fire out. Yes the guy didn't pay, But come on. All y'all are telling me that if you were in command and you pull up to a house on fire you would do nothing...... pull hose, put water on it, Nothing?


    I guess in the end the BIG shame is that this guys home and all his stuff burnt to the ground for 75 dollars... This world really is getting s----y.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    Insurance is a product that provides you compensation should you or your property be damaged.
    Compensation that pays for services. Putting out a fire is no different in that respect than boarding up and cleaning up the mess afterwards in that sense.

    Fire protection is NOT a product, it is a service. Our job as firefighters is to protect people's lives, their property, and the environment.
    Only if they elect to be protected. In this case, the homeowner declined protection in favor of saving $75 per year and taking his chances.

    They could easily have made 10 years' worth of dues off that one fire.
    Assuming they guy had insurance to pay them. Care to speculate on the odds of that being the case?

    People expect emergency services to be there, payment or not.
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    My two cents:

    Every dept I have ever worked for whether full-time or volunteer made it real clear that we would respond, but if taxes or dues (or whatever you wish to classify it as) were not paid in advance, the dept would send the owner a bill for services rendered.

    Current situation: The citizens within the city limits are automatically covered. The citizens in the county are not, unless they pay the city a yearly dues. If they choose to not pay the dues... we bill about $1200 per hour. That is considered break-even for use of the service. It only takes 1 house fire where we bill the owner, then the money starts pouring in. The owner can appeal with the City Council if he feels he should not pay, or if he does not have the capacity. Some may be waived if they can produce evidence of hardship, but not many prevail.

    The fire dues does not come close to covering the cost of service. It is a form of insurance that the city offers; the city is taking the risk there won't be a fire. We still bill the insurance company (if there is one) the standard $500. But the owner is not out any other money for a fire dept response if he has paid his dues.

    The position that (I) the city has adopted during my watch is "we are here to provide a service". We do not intend to cause additional hardship or harm to anyone. But Fire Protection is everyones responsibility.

    Unlike the dept mentioned here... we would not stand by and watch. During the event, we may not know if they paid their dues, and I don't have the time to find out. The Billing Dept handles that. I just get the friendly phone calls after they get the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L-Webb View Post
    2. Fire dept, put the damn fire out. Yes the guy didn't pay, But come on.
    Good luck ever collecting subscriptions from anyone ever again. Why pay the fee if the FD will put it out anyway?

    We are firemen, we do the right thing. Regardless
    In this case the "right thing" was letting it burn and honoring the implied agreement between the FD and all their dutiful subscribers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    Tell them to pay it before you leave and to keep there mouth shut, then this Never makes National News.

    The ones that did pay never know, Nor do the Ones that didn't pay.

    From what i understand this sounds Like a Type 6, with min. Staffing could have handled this thing in under a hour.
    You have a point. But how many times will you make that exception? See how it can go on and on? You did it for such and such but you can't do it for me?

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