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    I'm confused...What is the difference between a fire "department" and a fire "company". Is the "department" a branch of the local government and the "company" an entity that contracts with the local government???

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    In NYS -

    A Fire Company (as defined by NYS Executive Law 155-a.) 2. "Fire companies" shall mean fire companies goverend by the not-for-profit corporation law.

    A fire Company may be part of a fire department.....and from the Heritage Dictionary -
    fire department

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    A department, especially of a municipal government, whose purpose is preventing and putting out fires.

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    Just to muddy the waters (although pasobuff has the basic legal meanings right, at least for NYS), an individual unit within a fire department (ie, engine, truck, rescue, etc) is usually referred to as a "company."

    There is no real consistent answer - my not-for-profit firefighting organization is the "... Fire Department, Inc." We contract with our fire district to provide the manpower, but no money changes hands. The contract mostly delineates our response area and a few other legal points.

    A "Fire Company, Inc" may be structured with and engine company or two, a truck company, etc.
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    The Fire Service in many ways is based on the military organizational structure.

    The Fire Department can be have several layers within the structure.

    Fire Dept - the Organizational Command or entity, whether City, town, county or private.

    Division - Today these are defined by purpose within the Dept; Operations, Inspections, Code Enforcement, Training, etc.

    Battalion - Usually a Station or group of Stations, based on Sector, Area, or Location within the Division or City.

    Platoon - Platoons now are usually the Firefighters working 24hr Shift Schedules

    Company -> Several Companies can be part of a Battalion or Platoon - the Operational component of the fire dept. These are usually referred to by the type of Company; Engine, Truck, Ladder, Service, Wildland, Rescue, Medical, etc.

    Team (or Squad) - Special designation like EMS

    Firefighter - The guy that works for a living.

    Depending on the organization size, all or few of the layers may be in place. There can be other designations, sub-departments or catagories.
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    I'm not talking about a company as in a truck company or engine company. I'm talking about company as in the "Kentland Fire Company"

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    Here in my little state I call home, there's no difference at all - its simply a name choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasobuff View Post
    In NYS -

    A Fire Company (as defined by NYS Executive Law 155-a.) 2. "Fire companies" shall mean fire companies goverend by the not-for-profit corporation law.

    A fire Company may be part of a fire department.....and from the Heritage Dictionary -
    fire department

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    A department, especially of a municipal government, whose purpose is preventing and putting out fires.
    In much of Pennsylvania, as in New York, volunteer fire companies are not part of the municipal government. Instead, they are self governing non-profit corporations. In addition to line officers they have a corporate structure that includes a President, Secretary and Treasurer among other corporate officers. They also have boards of directors or some form of directors or trustees. These people manage the business side of the company. The municipality accepts and/or contracts with the company to provide its services. It may or may not provide funding to the company, and any funding that is provided can be in varying forms.

    The term fire department infers a branch of the municipal government much like a police department, funded by and directly answerable to that government.

    That being said, many of us do use the term "department" but its use may not be strictly correct.

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    Fire company is the firefighters visiting another station. You may also call a single firefighter visiting your private home "fire company."
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
    In much of Pennsylvania, as in New York, volunteer fire companies are not part of the municipal government. Instead, they are self governing non-profit corporations. In addition to line officers they have a corporate structure that includes a President, Secretary and Treasurer among other corporate officers. They also have boards of directors or some form of directors or trustees. These people manage the business side of the company. The municipality accepts and/or contracts with the company to provide its services. It may or may not provide funding to the company, and any funding that is provided can be in varying forms.

    The term fire department infers a branch of the municipal government much like a police department, funded by and directly answerable to that government.

    That being said, many of us do use the term "department" but its use may not be strictly correct.
    Thanks chiefengineer11! That seems to be how I thought it worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinKnight View Post
    The Fire Service in many ways is based on the military organizational structure.

    The Fire Department can be have several layers within the structure.

    Fire Dept - the Organizational Command or entity, whether City, town, county or private.

    Division - Today these are defined by purpose within the Dept; Operations, Inspections, Code Enforcement, Training, etc.

    Battalion - Usually a Station or group of Stations, based on Sector, Area, or Location within the Division or City.

    Platoon - Platoons now are usually the Firefighters working 24hr Shift Schedules

    Company -> Several Companies can be part of a Battalion or Platoon - the Operational component of the fire dept. These are usually referred to by the type of Company; Engine, Truck, Ladder, Service, Wildland, Rescue, Medical, etc.

    Team (or Squad) - Special designation like EMS

    Firefighter - The guy that works for a living.

    Depending on the organization size, all or few of the layers may be in place. There can be other designations, sub-departments or catagories.
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    This probably comes from "back in the day" when individual fire companies, primarily volunteer organizations, that were formed to provide fire protection for a given area or for those who paid for their protection. Think back to fire marks hanging on buildings, and fire companies supported by fire insurance companies to provide protection to the customers of that insurance company. Large cities in the northeast were protected by these fire companies prior to the evolution of municipal fire departments. I believe that the town of Madison, Indiana was, and still may be, protected by several independent volunteer fire "companies" at least into the early 1990's.
    As this seems to have evolved, many volunteer fire organizations can trace their roots back to this time, and still use the company name. Some companies that were absorbed by the municipal departments retained their identies as a particular "hose company". Others haven't. I don't think that there is so much difference between a fire company and a fire department, more than likely it depends on where you happen to be standing in this fine country. Some day, someone will be asking "what is the difference between a fire department and a fire protection district?"
    This in no way is intending to say that the standard definition of a fire company as being fire apparatus, tools and equipment, and personnel assigned to said apparatus that is also a proper definition of a fire (ladder, engine, squad, rescue, etc., etc., etc.,) company.

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    Here is an example of a difference.....the city I used to live in -

    You could join one of the 6 'companies' that make up the City Fire Department - as a member, you enjoy the benefits and priveledges of such membership......with this membership, you also apply to join the City FD - usually an automatic approval.....but, there is the chance you could be DENIED.....

    OR -

    You could join the City FD (volunteer side, it is a combination dept)........and be a firefighter.....HOWEVER - you are NOT a member of any individual Company - therefore have no ties as far as Workers' Comp, training authorization, etc.....I don't know if this was ever done in the Dept.....

    Also, City FD membership has to be approved by the Mayor.....while Company membership is voted on by the Company.....

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    I have 2 separate fire companies in town, which together, make up the fire department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    I have 2 separate fire companies in town, which together, make up the fire department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    I have 2 separate fire companies in town, which together, make up the fire department.
    That's how ours works, with a few more "companies" to make up the Department.

    Question though... If it is a single station Department, could they call themselves a Company in lieu of Department???

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue61 View Post
    I'm not talking about a company as in a truck company or engine company. I'm talking about company as in the "Kentland Fire Company"
    To the best of my knowledge:

    Kentland Fire Company is a collection of individual units, and is itself a part of a larger department.

    They would break down like this;

    Prince George's County Fire Department

    Kentland Fire Company

    Engine 331
    Engine 332
    Rescue 33
    Tower 33
    Mini Pumper 33

    And just so you guys don't give me any crap, I don't have Kentland memorized, I did in fact have to google it
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
    Question though... If it is a single station Department, could they call themselves a Company in lieu of Department???

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    Methinks part of it goes back to that municipal/not-for-profit thing.

    Too - as has been noted, the terms to often get used interchangably.

    Thus, even though the Podunk Fire Company, Inc, an independent NFP corporation, provides fire protection to the residents of Podunk Hollow by means of a contract with the town of Podunk (which does not have a municipal fire department), people are still going to call the "fire department" when they need help.

    Calvert County, MD, has six firefighting organizations. They are funded both by the county and by individual fundraising. Each is essentially a stand-alone fire department (and I believe call themselves such - I could be wrong), but on the radio, they're dispatched as "company X."
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