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    Default I know I post alot of threads already..

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    Your job as a probationary fire fighter is to do what your told and nothing else.

    If your told to stand with one foot on the wall and a finger in your ear until told to do otherwise, that's what you do.

    Part two of your job is open your ears and close your mouth.

    Tonight was just an open house with nothing really at stake. Now let's move you onto the fireground. If you're not where you were told to be, you could get hurt or worse yet, you could get someone else hurt. You don't go looking for jobs to do at a fire scene. That's what your officer is there to do.

    In other words, keep focused and you won't get booted. Start free-lancing, even for the little things, and you'll have issues.

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    Learn your chain of command, and who over rides who.

    Your rig officer "owns" you. You listen to him first. Any other rig officer should be treated with respect. But if they ask you to do something, politely ask him to clear it with YOUR officer. The only person that trumps your rig officer, is the Battalion Chief, or any other gold badge officer. If there is a problem, let YOUR officer know.
    If the Chief has control of you, then you only listen to him. All other requests for you to do something else, needs to be done through him, and nobody else. He IS, your Chief, and has the final word.

    The next time you have an event similar to this one, ask who you should listen to. Senior FF's will use and abuse you to their benefit, as you're the probie. Don't make that mistake.

    Don't take it too hard, just do what you are supposed to do by those in charge (Officers, not FF's).

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    I'm taking the kid's side here.

    Danged if you do, and danged if you don't.

    Help out the bear and you're neglecting your other duties. Don't help the bear and you're not a team player.

    As FM1 points out, there are those who will "abuse" a rookie.

    And there are those organizations where the chain of command isn't really that clear. Especially for an event like this.

    Let's consider the folks who might have felt they had a right to give orders here:
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    Assistant/Deputy Chief(s)
    President
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    Event Chair
    Captain(s)
    Lieutenant(s)
    Individual activity chairs

    As already noted, your best course of action is to stick to your assigned task, and know who you answer to. Then you can point to them and say "he told me to do this, and I'm sticking with it. If you need me someplace else, clear it with him."
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    Good advice from firemech

    Sometimes there are alot of chiefs and a few Indians, so the chiefs do not know what the other chiefs are doing!!!!!

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    Since question has been removed, there is no longer a point to this topic.
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    I don't see how doing many,many jobs at an Open House can get you booted from the department,not unless someone in the chain of command is a hopeless (jerk).I hope that you get or got a chance to explain why you were sometimes not seen where you'd been placed.
    If you do,ask for a moment of that officer's time,be respectful and don't interrupt what the Chief,Assistant Chief or LT is saying.You might miss hearing that they were just using the non-emergency occasion to see how many conflicting orders that you can take without getting too flustered to do any of them.
    It might be as simple as that or that someone just didn't get the word that you were already assigned to do anything and thought that you werer available for "as assigned duties".
    Keep working at it.You're new to the department and should look at everything as a learning opportunity.
    As PaladinKnight says,cliques are often formed,usually because the members get used to working with each other.Because you're new,you add a different component to the mix and they don't know how you'll work with them yet.
    I hope it works out for you.

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    Sounds to me like you need to step back, take a deep breath and relax a little. If you were "breaking out in a sweat that was soaking through your shirt" at an open house then you are trying too hard.

    Don't take this personally as it's only meant as constructive criticism. Sometimes over-eager recruits can be a P.I.T.A. As officers we want a person whom we can delegate a task to and not see\hear from that person until the task is done. We want someone who can figure out on their own how to complete that task.

    I understand conflicting orders can be confusing but get used to it because it will happen. There are ways for you to deal with it.

    If you're primary job is to operate the ball throwing table and, for whatever reason the ball throwing table was left unattended then you didn't do your job. If you left the table it better had been for something far more important.

    Say you're at a fire scene and you are instructed to secure utilities. While looking for the breaker panel a second officer asks you to deploy a ladder. What do you do?? In my opinion you should tell the second officer that you already have an assignment and are unavailable. Unless deploying the ladder is a life\death matter then the second officer needs to find someone else. The first officer is expecting the utilities to be secured and won't know that you've been re-directed. This can be dangerous. The first officer doesn't want to have to explain to you where the utilities are, how to secure them and whether you did a good job or not. Just get it done.

    If you are instructed to perform a task that is beyond your ability then you need to say so. No shame in that while you're a probie but after time that shouldn't happen anymore.

    Being eager and hard working are good things but your officers and comrades need to be able to depend on you to complete tasks that you are assigned to.
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    These aren't the droids you're looking for... move along, move along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonAre View Post
    See my orginal duty was to lead the bear around, I did this until one of the girls whose dad happens to be an LT left to go upstairs and bull**** so I got left with three different jobs.
    Who gave you the jobs? (BTW, "the girl" isn't the problem -- don't look for excuses.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonAre View Post
    One of the officers told me to lead the bear around then another junior firefighter wanted me to to the jobs.
    And you don't see what's wrong with that picture?

    The girl was orginally assigned to the job that she dumped on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonAre View Post
    I made only one mistake and that wasn’t just sticking to my orginal task.
    Bingo!

    If I would have said no to the junior firefighter I probably wouldn’t have gotten slack for it.
    Just do what you're told.

    I don’t think I’m the only one wrong in this situation
    That's irrelevant. You're responsible for what you do -- not what other people do.

    Like a previous poster said I couldn’t win in this situation.
    Sure you could. All you had to do was do as you were told by the officier who assigned you to your original task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonAre View Post
    Okay so rtheorically speaking I stayed with the bear and told them no and it was left unattended who would be getting the slack for that?
    The person who was assigned the task instead of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonAre View Post
    this and like I said before I’ve never been in anything like this ever.
    Word of advice kid- If ********, *****, and ***** knew you were coming on here and crying instead of going through your unified chain of command with your grievances, they would probably be pretty ****ed.

    EDIT: Point proven to the Original Poster. Names redacted at his request.
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    Another word of advice: stick to what you say. Editing and deleting posts will get you a bad rep around here pretty quick.
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