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    Default Available ladder manufacturer with zero failures

    Does one exist? To be fair I guess I have to give a definition of a failure.

    For this topic lets say the ladder is up in the air and it comes down without operator intervention. It could crash down, come down slowly, break in half, etc.

    Also, if you are going to mention a failure please note if it was determined to be a failure related to manufacturing or improper use by the operator (heavy winds, overloaded, ice) as the manufacturer has no control over improper use.

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    I have never seen of or heard of a Sutphen aerial ladder failure. Make their own aluminum ladders with Huck bolts... I don't think anyone else does that.

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    I believe LTI and E-One both fit your criteria. Of course some of the issue comes to who owned what. We know about E-One owning Bronto when a pre-Eone Bronto failed (due to improper non-factory repair work?IIRC). LTI have been mounted on numerous other builders aerial apparatus and again, IIRC none have failed.

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    I think its unfair to lump the Bronto in with the rest of E-one's aerials. Their aerial ladders are a vastly different product than the Bronto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    I think its unfair to lump the Bronto in with the rest of E-one's aerials. Their aerial ladders are a vastly different product than the Bronto.
    Agreed. As I said, this is why you must define the parameters, for skeptics point fingers without telling the whole story.

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    I agree with you, just needed to preempt all the aluminum haters.

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    i belive Stanley falls into this class

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    93Cobra- You are correct. Sutphen has never had an aerial failure.

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    Smeal, Metz to add two. T.C.

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    Maxim would be another. :=}

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    Nope. I was surpised to see this, Maxim has had one. The information below is from: U.S. Fire Administration/Technical Report Series
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    USFA-TR-081/April 1996

    East Chicago, IN--Ju1y~ 17, 1994
    A100 foot steel Maxim ladder, originally constructed in 1959 and remounted on a 1980 Mack chassis, collapsed during a ladderpipe operation at a large tire fire, injuring one firefighter. The ladder was extended approximately 50 to 70 feet at a 35 degree elevation angle and rotated approximately 15 degrees to the side of the truck. The ladder had not been inspected for at least two years. The ladder pipe was shut down just before the collapse occurred, and a firefighter was in the process of ascending the ladder to survey the scene and reposition the nozzle. The firefighter was approximately 50 feet up the ladder when it buckled in the first fly section just above the bed. The firefighter was seriously injured and the aerial ladder was destroyed. The falling ladder became entangled in power lines which absorbed some of the impact. The power lines had been de-energized at the request of the Incident Commander.

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    Yup. Thats where the Maxim information came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcatee1 View Post
    Nope. I was surpised to see this, Maxim has had one.
    Don't be, it seems Maxim's had some major issues defying gravity. Certainly more than one, I have a few pics in my files when we showed our city council why we needed to replace our bent 80 ft. 1980 Maxim (destroked from 100 ft).

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    35 degrees is too low for a ladder pipe operation on a 200 lb ladder no matter who made it.

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    I should add at 50-70 feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    Maxim would be another. :=}
    Where you gonna buy a NEW one? Hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffp20 View Post
    35 degrees is too low for a ladder pipe operation on a 200 lb ladder no matter who made it.
    Good job on the addendum. My SIMPLE philosophy on ladder pipe operations is keep the ladder as short as possible to do the job. In these parts in the winter this is CRITICAL because after several hrs operation below zero you MIGHT NOT be able to retract it. The shorter,the stronger. T.c.

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    Currently, is LTI still making ladders? Are they selling outside of ALF?

    Would you consider writing a bid spec to exclude manufacturers that have had a factory defect ladder failure on a ladder produced in the last 10 years?

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    That would for sure knock out lots of manufacturers.

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