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    Default TNT BFC-320 Cutting the Uncuttable?

    New Videos of the TNT BFC-320 cutting through 2 B post that supposedly can not be cut by any other Hydraulic Rescue Tool on the market.

    2010 Subaru B Post

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MeypjKRcx0

    2010 Mitsubishi Lancer B Post

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaqCFgfguEA
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    That Mitsubishi post was tried by a handful of other cutters and no luck. One of the cutters that tired a couple times, highest nfpa rated cutter (fancy), couldn't do it. And on one of the times they hooked it right up to the pump. haha now thats funny
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    Anyhoo, we're impressed with the BFC we have at the VFD.
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    I have been involved in the past with the trialing of various hydraulic rescue equipment on brand new vehicles for that year ranging from Ford to Jaguar.We tested Clan Lukas, Holmatro, Resq tec, Amkus, amogst others but never TNT.We decided overall that Holmatro ruled.However, recently in my department here, one of the volly departments had TNT and I used it first hand on an auto extrication.I would have to say that TNT impressed me, equal to if not better than Holmatro Heavy rescue cutting tools ( not the battery type or combi).I am sure if TNT were in the mix back then Im sure we would have gone with them

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    Default lol

    champion cut that post first a year ago then gave it to them

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    Seriously, technique is the biggest hindrance in tools today or lack there of. All this high strength low alloy hooey is just that. If it is a HSLA area, move the tool just a few inches and guess what, you are in a different area one that you can now cut. The need for a 320 cutter is a scare tactic, just like the tool that is insulated against hybrid voltage issues. Guarantee you if someone made a hybrid voltage tester that did DC high voltage you could be the next multi millionaire on scare tactics alone.....
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    When faced with these situations rescuers should “Reposition, Relocate, and Retry” as Ron has indicated in his recent 5 part series on Advanced Metals.

    The isssue with the Advanced Metals however is not just a scare tactic being used by the HRT manufacturers. HSLA Steel, Boron Alloys and Martensite are being utilized more than ever in todays vehicles. There are going to be times where the "R,R,R" just won't work and at that point they need to either be able to cut the materials involved or know alternative techniques to work around these advanced metals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejfeicht View Post
    know alternative techniques to work around these advanced metals.
    See we are on the same page here

    Too many times I have seen people in depts claim to be a "extrication technician" only to see them start their scenario in class by doing the Final Destination slam move. I was teaching at a dept a couple years ago when I discussed the scenario and turned my back on the user and I heard "WhAm". I yelled to freeze. The student looked over at me and said "well, how do I get purchase point if I can't slam it". After about 15 minutes of me helping him to understand the issues in a spinal injury I let him re-join the class. There are so many in the rural setting with that kind of mentality that even if they had the "big cutters" they are still doing to be dangerous to the victims they are trying to serve.
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    Im with you there man.So many people here in my department dont have a care for pt stability .They just slam that tool in there and hope for the best.So what if it takes a few seconds more to pull some more bodywork out the way to get in there.If it causes less vibration and bangs then its all good as far as im concerned.People extricate with their egos here when it should be a casualty centered aproach.yes, I agree if you have to get them out quick and rapid then a rapid victim removal is appropriate.Otherwise, dont fight it, let the tool do the work,A good drill to do is just have a combi tool or epco kit to use and see how skilled you are then!

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    Default Training is Number 1 as with everything

    Certainly technique and training play a lot into getting someone out safely. But having the ability to cut where you need to the first time saves time and can be the safest thing for the victim.
    To cutaboverest: Champion did cut boron steel posts. Not with one smooth cut thou. They had to re-cut and reposition. You may not be able to position your cutters 90 degrees like they had to. You can watch the video here: http://www.sceneoftheaccident.com/Vi...videoIndex=139
    Also the BFC I believe has been out for well over a yr.

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    Default mbz clk 500

    the a-post they cut in the champion video is a mbz clk 500 not a subie
    that video is how old????????????????????? over 2 years old,,,,,,,champions new beast makes twice the force and makes the same cut like butter

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    Default lancier post

    the lancier post is over 3 years old it was cut in 2007 by Champion first and has been at every major trade show for the last 3 years.......

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    Default It only gets better !

    With the increase in UHSS (Ultra High Strength Steel)etc that we are faced with on vehicles today, and the associated problems, guess what, it gets even better, with the development of Carbon nanotubes.

    http://www.rtc-rescue.com/page18.htm

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    Carbon nanotubes

    http://www.rtc-rescue.com/page18.htm[/QUOTE]

    Its 19 times stronger than advanced boron.

    What is it designed to do in a accident?

    To cut it with a HRT that is in the mid 40lb range now would weigh 800 lbs. Looks like a cutting torch and a handline
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    Saws. Cutters are approaching their apex. Saw blade technology is still going. If you can't shear it,saw it. Diamond blades will cut many of the UHSS steels. They are a little slower but do a good job. Milwaukee's torch blades cut many Hss posts and again do a good job. Learn all you can,the next 5 years promise to be interesting. T.C.
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    The webber thing looks a bit like this:

    https://www.dualsaw.com/flare/next?t...a_bid=19d598b5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt387 View Post
    The webber thing looks a bit like this:

    https://www.dualsaw.com/flare/next?t...a_bid=19d598b5
    Yup,in my haste for power and glory,I didn't specifically mention those. I STILL believe we will require multiple tools to open the upcoming technology. T.C.

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    Default twin saws what a joke

    these saws are for light sheet metal not vehicles...they make the biggest mess and will throw sparks beware

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    There is one made by milwaukee that doesn't. I used one in a farm class that didn't spark and would cut through a bale spike like butter
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutaboverest View Post
    these saws are for light sheet metal not vehicles...they make the biggest mess and will throw sparks beware
    YOU ever use one of these saws? They will cut a LOT more than sheet metal(at least as it applies to vehicles) Thw counterrotating ones don't make a whole lot of sparks. More than a recip to be sure. T.C.

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    Hi

    The Weber Twin Saw is a very good piece of equipment, it is capable of cutting the late metals on vehicles today, with little to no kick back, very few sparks with minimal debris.

    I have tried this saw on Boronated b-posts and it was able to complete the cut with little problem

    It is a lot less aggressive than a disc cutter/abrasive wheel

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    I always get a chuckle when I read this stuff. Unless I see proof, don't bother telling me who cut it and when. When stuff like that is posted, most of the time a salesman has his buddy post it or he does himself.

    I have seen those cuts in person on the video to verify them to be true. As to any other statement made by other manufacturers, just show the proof, don't tell me. I like to see with my own one or two eyes.

    With that said, last I checked this is America. You can invite all your tool reps/dealers and do some cutting. give each tool manf. equal time to attempt cuts. Make the decision for yourself. I prefer the method of having them all their at the same time... that's my method, maybe its not the best, but I think it gives them all a even playing field. I let them know this in advance. Usually only 2 or 3 show up. When someones confident of their product... they love the chance to go head to head with their competition.

    On a regular basis I have a opportunity to see various tools working and see their performance on some pretty nasty stuff. I have drawn my own personal conclusions on what does the job, you should draw your own conclusion also.

    Make a informed/researched decision

    Getting on a forum and asking who has the best rescue tools?? One would be better to place their finger on a table and whack it as hard as you can with a hammer... lol

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    HI

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    I see your point and its fully understandable, I am no sales rep i am a career FF, and i have used this saw, my post comments are true and accurate from first hand unbiased experience.

    It did what it says on the tin, understandably there will always be differing views on this type of saw

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    jon, i maybe should have been more specific, i wasn't referring to the saws. I believe all of you. I have used the Milwaukee small battery saw with great results... the blade is whats important.

    I was referring to the cutters.

    Being on the road doing classes, I only get in here occasionally. And for the most part I only comment now and then. I don't recollect video being presented before as to cutters doing the cuts. A statement has been made in reference to another cutter out there that will do it, I would like to see the evidence so I may make a more informed decision.


    Then again, I'm a dreamer, if we can put a man on the moon, then we have the technology to produce cutters that will perform the task needed.

    We where all told 15 years ago that cutter technology has reached its limit.... look where we are now. While in a conversation with a engineer a few years back while they where showing me there new cutter and all it will do, I said to him.... "if you want to impress me, make these GD things more lighter for us older crippled folk". his reply was, the technology is there, but know-one could afford it.
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