Thread: Two firefighter VES?
11-02-2010, 10:55 PM #26
Last edited by nyckftbl; 11-03-2010 at 12:09 AM.Proud East Coast Traditionalist.
11-03-2010, 04:03 PM #27
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When doing any kind of ventilation you have to look at the conditions and building, the advancement of the operation, and listen to the radio.
I think the main difference here is the FDNY uses VES in corrdination with all of their other tactics. This allows them to leave the door open to allow for the vent.
In many other parts of the country VES is a last ditch we have to search this room or a extreme circumstances case. In my mind the this is more of a break the window get in search and get back out type of search. However, it is not as cool to say on the radio as VES.
Back to the orginal OP's question. I think it is best that you take the operation. Determine what you are trying to achieve. determine the steps need to be done to complete it. Then divide the task between the two firefighters.
I would urge caution about using "VES" tactics hap-hazardly. This is a high risk high reward type of tactic. The firefighter must clearly understand fire behavior, building construction, and have experience to safely conduct it. Think about it for a min. You are entering through a confined opening into a room ahead of the fire, cut off with only one exit. Often times you are on the floor above the fire. Experience has proven to us that this is often the most dangerous place on the fireground.
This is not to say that VES is not a valid or cowboy type of tactic. It just has to be understood on both the firefigther level and the department level.
11-03-2010, 05:22 PM #28
That was a great link. I appreciate the response, too.A coward stands by and watches wrongs committed without saying a word...Any opinions expressed are purely my own and not necessarily reflective of the views of my former departments
11-04-2010, 06:44 AM #29
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FF #1 goes into the room to search. FF #2 either stays at the tip or goes in too.
If the smoke level is above the window sill and visibility is relatively good, FF #2 stays on the ladder. If the smoke level is below the window sill and visibility is poor, FF #2 goes into the room, but stays at the window to help keep FF #1 oriented either through voice or touch.
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