BW, I was/am part of the IAFF. .
BW, I was/am part of the IAFF. .
What is your Local doing? The IAFF has secured programs and stimulus money to hire back laid off firefighters IF they are solicited for help.
There is no one in Washington who goes around looking for laid off firefighters.
Off coarse your Governor could refuse the funds.
Big Leauges...i sympathize with your plight. However the IAFF can't trump civil service laws.
Have you considered relocating? There are departments out there hiring now. Take a look at Austin, TX, they are taking laterals in 2011.
I hope I am never faced with your situation and truly sympathize with you and your family. Good luck.
I'm not sure that some of you understand what the IAFF can and can't do.
Extreme example: if a town decides to reduce their funding of the fire department by 50% their is nothing the IAFF can do. That chief is faced with a few options, lay offs, reduce everyones pay against the contract, stop paying benefits against the contract. So let's say they lay off 40% of the work force and freeze everyones salary, what can the IAFF do? ... Nothing. Sure you could go to arbitration and may even win, but the town doesn't have the money, so aside from a few lawyers getting paid what happens... no one gets rehired. When the town does need more bodies they get hired back per the local's rules.
In many cases towns are hurting real bad use the money guys at the IAFF to look at the books, if the town is legitimately hurting and fairly spreads the cuts then nothing can be done about it.
I've had friends in other towns get layed off, it blows, no doubt about it. But in those cases no one has been hired to replace them so the union can't do anything. We can't strike, in many places slowdowns and blue flu is prohibited by laws. The union does great things but really can't do anything in this case.
As for the hire process in other towns the IAFF is also not able to do anything. A town can set what ever criteria for hire that they want. Some want medics, some want medics and certified firefighters some want people with college, some want people just out of HS. The union has no say over this. I can see both sides of this. I can take a group of firefighters who never worked with me, put them on an engine and get the job done. Some towns would like guys with no knowledge and teach them their way only. I went to the academy with a guy who had close to 10 years in the volunteers, he was a great fireman who had to go to the academy again because that is what his department wanted.
Good luck finding a place to continue your trade, I wish you the best of luck, just don't look toward the union to help, you'll end up disappointed.
Yes Monty, I did see about Austin, and it looks exciting. I
I totally agree that the IAFF and the locals have little effect on local decisions, requirements, et al.Quote:
I'm not sure that some of you understand what the IAFF can and can't do...
I would suggest, however, that the IAFF could become an advocate for consistant hiring practices and lateral opportunities such as the OP suggests, and perhaps even offering up a clearinghouse for available positions (I'm not in IAFF - maybe they do already).
On the flip side - I would actually expect resistance from some locals on this - they'd prefer to hire and promote "local" talent.
Last I knew, the IAFF was pretty much nation-wide. They certainly would be in a position to do something of that sort.
Right now sacramento ca is accepting applications for later ff/medic.
Just put Sacramento app in, looks great.
My question is this; Why are the senior FF with 20+ yrs the ones being laid off. Does your contract not have wording in it to protect seniority. And lay off from the bottom up.
Where i work and in my contract if there were to be lay offs they would start with the least senior employee and go up. That way you wouldnt end up in the situation where you are where a guy who is say 45 yrs old may never get a job again, where the new guy who has a a year on and is 20 yrs old still has a future somewhere else.