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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Alright, I'm done with this. You're clearly ignoring the fact that I'm not basing my judgement of the overseas trip on the political affiliation of the POTUS, rather the timing of said event.
    Of course you're done. You've been exposed for your hypocrisy and you know it. Obama isn't doing anything that any other president has done during good or bad times. It's clearly evident this is yet another non-troversy that is being trumped up.

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    And yes, I'm aware of the world outside the firehouse. My employment has nothing to do with this discussion. Neither does your Class-A sarcasm.
    I never said your employment was an issue. It's your parochial mindset that is the issue.

    There is nothing wrong with this trip or its timing given who is being contacted. The cost is a non-issue given that Obama isn't traveling with any extra considerations for any other president.

    It's really sad to see the pettiness that has become conservatives such as yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Blah, blah, blah...
    Haha, ok, if you say so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    You could ask that of the Democrats in the Majority of Congress when the banking and housing industries were not being properly watched over as their committees were supposed to be doing.
    What pieces of regulatory legislation were by blocked Dems from the years 1994 - 2006? The Dems only achieved a majority in Jan. 2007. I love the victimology that has become conservatism. Interesting how you accuse Obama of always blaming Bush when you blame Dems during time periods when they lacked the ability to do anything as the minority party.

    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    When I was in the Navy,if I relieved the previous watch down in the fireroom and found he had not wiped up the oil leaking from a forced draft blower on the on-line boiler,I couldn't call him back to do the job.I had relieved the watch and any problems that were occurring were now my responsibility to take care of.
    So what? Then you should realize destroying something is a lot easier than fixing it or repairing it. That is what was left to the Dems by Bush and the GOP.

    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    If only politicians understod that concept better.
    So you'll be critical of the GOP when they start blaming things on the Dem when they are seated in January? I can't wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    What kind of health care plan do you think is available to congresscritters?

    But yes, every single one of my congresscritter has the the same plan that is available to ordinary citizens. It's called "If you have health insurance you are happy with, you can keep it."

    You do realize that there is no "Congress Health Insurance". They pick from the same pool of insurance plans available to every other employee of the federal government. It is run the same way as any other employer runs theirs. The company covers a big portion and the employee covers the rest.

    The only difference between the federal benefit package is that you have more options to choose from than in the private sector "This health plan doesn't cover anything, but it's the cheapest for the employer" model. You see, the federal model that people love to paint as "a socialist health care plan for congresscritters" actually relies on capitalism. The federal employee pool is a huge market of potential members for any health care plan, and the plans all compete against each other to get your enrollment.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/hea...s-of-congress/

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    And no, I'm not just posting random things from the interwebs. I'm a federal employee. The guy who mobs the floor at a federal facility has the same health insurance as the guy in DC who writes the laws.
    Well done. Conservatives get their news from outlets that are clearly biased. Yet they claim the media is liberal and not to be trusted since facts don't fit their beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Haha, ok, if you say so...
    Wow. You really got me with that one.

    Good to know you quickly dissolve into churlish taunts when the facts and your hypocrisy are exposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Wow. You really got me with that one.

    Good to know you quickly dissolve into churlish taunts when the facts and your hypocrisy are exposed.
    I wasn't trying to "get" anyone. Nevertheless, call me a hypocrite if you want -- I've been called worse by better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    I wasn't trying to "get" anyone. Nevertheless, call me a hypocrite if you want -- I've been called worse by better.
    In your dreams.

    Turns out the source of your idiot claim is an Indian provincial official.

    Not that I'm surprised you would bite on something with no substance.

    I notice conservatives do that frequently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Well done. Conservatives get their news from outlets that are clearly biased. Yet they claim the media is liberal and not to be trusted since facts don't fit their beliefs.
    Posted by a devotee of the Huffington Post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Well done. Conservatives get their news from outlets that are clearly biased. Yet they claim the media is liberal and not to be trusted since facts don't fit their beliefs.
    I'm not in it to score points. I actually value discussion over keeping score.

    And as far as biased news, I strongly feel that ALL news is biased. In BOTH directions. News outlets are businesses, not charities. They are in it to make money and they tailor their reporting to fit the values of their demographics, that way ratings increase and they can charge more for advertising.

    News is just the tool that they use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    I'm not in it to score points. I actually value discussion over keeping score.

    And as far as biased news, I strongly feel that ALL news is biased. In BOTH directions. News outlets are businesses, not charities. They are in it to make money and they tailor their reporting to fit the values of their demographics, that way ratings increase and they can charge more for advertising.

    News is just the tool that they use.
    No kidding. The last time I turned on Fox News they were giving an update on the latest with Lindsay Lohan.

    Riveting stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No kidding. The last time I turned on Fox News they were giving an update on the latest with Lindsay Lohan.

    Riveting stuff.
    Nice of you to once again ignore the Huffington Post, CNNBCBS, and many many other left leaning outlets
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Nice of you to once again ignore the Huffington Post, CNNBCBS, and many many other left leaning outlets
    Honesty is not an important element of the leftist's argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Nice of you to once again ignore the Huffington Post, CNNBCBS, and many many other left leaning outlets
    Really? Can you point me to one story from CNN or CBS or any other so called left leaning outlet that has recently published an Op-Ed supporting organized labor or abortion? Or an article that says firefighters are underpaid and deserve good benefits like health care and pensions?

    The liberal media myth is just that.

    The GOP and their supporters are all licking each others private parts after yesterday. When are they going to tell us what they intend to cut to reduce the deficit? Whenever any of them were pressed for specifics they never answered.

    Since they want to extend the Bush tax cuts it is obvious they are not serious about cutting the deficit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The GOP and their supporters are all licking each others private parts after yesterday. When are they going to tell us what they intend to cut to reduce the deficit? Whenever any of them were pressed for specifics they never answered.
    Sour grapes.

    I wonder if Boehner will tell Obama, "we won" at their first meeting?

    You have to stop getting your political news from Jon Stewart and Mad Magazine. Boehner has a plan.

    Could he ever live up to the leadership of the previous Speaker?

    “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it” - Nancy Pelosi

    Should be a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Sour grapes.

    I wonder if Boehner will tell Obama, "we won" at their first meeting?

    You have to stop getting your political news from Jon Stewart and Mad Magazine. Boehner has a plan.

    Could he ever live up to the leadership of the previous Speaker?

    “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it” - Nancy Pelosi

    Should be a no-brainer.
    So what programs are they going to cut?

    That's not sour grapes, that's a legitimate question given the GOP platform the last 18 months has been about excessive spending.

    Don't you know? The last time the GOP had control they spent like crazy. Since their policies are the primary cause of huge deficits, certainly they imparted to you what is on the chopping block. Or did you just vote because of blind partisanship? Boehner waved a plan at a press conference earlier in the year only to have it revealed there was nothing in it.
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    The last time I had CNN on,they were giving an update on the latest with Lindsay Lohan(and her loverly cans).
    What a co-winkydink.
    Must be something wrong with CNN if the best they can come up with is celebrity"news".
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No kidding. The last time I turned on Fox News they were giving an update on the latest with Lindsay Lohan.

    Riveting stuff.

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    The things passed in that time frame were passed because of bipartisanship on the Republicans' side which was returned in kind when a Republican President took office.The Democrats sure understand how to accept help but not give it.Such openmindedness.

    As I said,the Democrats were in the majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate when the financial crisis started.Why didn't THEY do something about it instead of accepting better bank loans that citizens can get from the very banks they were supposed to be overseeing(Chris Dodd,Barney Frank)?

    Not really.I'm the sort that assigns blame where it goes.Kinda like when I'd blamed Fireman Jimmy Carter for not checking the aforementioned forced draft blower's oil level before the turn of the watch.
    When it ran dry and threw turbine blades over the fireroom,I got the blame because it happened after *I* took over the watch and FN Carter had headed up to the messdeck and his bunk.
    Believe me,that defense that the previous watch made the error which caused the problem doesn't wash with a General Court Martial for dereliction of duty.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    What pieces of regulatory legislation were by blocked Dems from the years 1994 - 2006? The Dems only achieved a majority in Jan. 2007. I love the victimology that has become conservatism. Interesting how you accuse Obama of always blaming Bush when you blame Dems during time periods when they lacked the ability to do anything as the minority party.


    So what? Then you should realize destroying something is a lot easier than fixing it or repairing it. That is what was left to the Dems by Bush and the GOP.


    So you'll be critical of the GOP when they start blaming things on the Dem when they are seated in January? I can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The last time the GOP had control they spent like crazy. Since their policies are the primary cause of huge deficits, certainly they imparted to you what is on the chopping block. Or did you just vote because of blind partisanship? Boehner waved a plan at a press conference earlier in the year only to have it revealed there was nothing in it.
    "Primary cause of huge deficits".... how can you make that comment with a straight face after the spending orgy of the last 18 months???

    "blind partisanship" is also a funny statement from you...

    Your a funny guy!
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    Why not extend the tax cuts?The ones who have money should be encouraged to spend it by allowing them to keep it instead of taking it from them by taxing them at higher rates.
    If I ever get the $200K my lawyer claims I can get from work for a broken leg two years ago,for example,I am going to want to spend it on things that I want to,and not pay for food stamps to be used for candy,cigarettes and alcohol just because I would then be "rich".
    I'd rather invest it in a business of my own,hire people to work for me,pay their salaries and my own taxes to run the government.Those employees will buy things that they want,pay the businesses that hire people to sell their products and services and so on and so on and so on,aye forevermore Amen.
    It's called capitalism and it's a good thing.
    I can't do that very well if the government is going to say that I can "afford" a higher tax rate and take what I need to buy into that business,can I?
    Why is it that people want to stick it to the rich?They pay 90% of the taxes in this country even at lower percentage tax rates.(My sister and bro-in-law work for the IRS.Believe me,I know tax stuff and basic arithmetic)
    Why charge them higher rates for the same government?Are they not Americans,too?
    If higher taxes on the rich are what the Hollywood supporters of Barack Hussein Obama voted for when they gave their support to him,why is Oprah taking her show off the air to concentrate on her charities and why is Bill Gates giving away his billions of dollars?
    Are they recalling that scene from "Cannonball Run 2" where Jamie Farr's character said that he'd dreamed Allah came to him in a dream and told him to "Spread the wealth before Khomeini takes it all..." and figured that Obama intends to tax THEM even if they did back him in the recent Presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The GOP and their supporters are all licking each others private parts after yesterday. When are they going to tell us what they intend to cut to reduce the deficit? Whenever any of them were pressed for specifics they never answered.

    Since they want to extend the Bush tax cuts it is obvious they are not serious about cutting the deficit.

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    The liberals honestly beleive that the poor and middle class honestly have a right to the money of the rich.

    They honestly beleive that somehow thwe workers actually produced that wealth, not the owner of the company, the stockholders or the CEO, and that those who invested in the company should give it back to those who truly deserve it.

    The fact is wealth is a good thing, and the reality is that the majority of the money will be controlled by a few, and the majority will live middle or lower class lives. That is the beauty of capitalism.

    The liberals simply don't see that.

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