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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No kidding. The last time I turned on Fox News they were giving an update on the latest with Lindsay Lohan.

    Riveting stuff.
    Nice of you to once again ignore the Huffington Post, CNNBCBS, and many many other left leaning outlets
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    Nice of you to once again ignore the Huffington Post, CNNBCBS, and many many other left leaning outlets
    Honesty is not an important element of the leftist's argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Nice of you to once again ignore the Huffington Post, CNNBCBS, and many many other left leaning outlets
    Really? Can you point me to one story from CNN or CBS or any other so called left leaning outlet that has recently published an Op-Ed supporting organized labor or abortion? Or an article that says firefighters are underpaid and deserve good benefits like health care and pensions?

    The liberal media myth is just that.

    The GOP and their supporters are all licking each others private parts after yesterday. When are they going to tell us what they intend to cut to reduce the deficit? Whenever any of them were pressed for specifics they never answered.

    Since they want to extend the Bush tax cuts it is obvious they are not serious about cutting the deficit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The GOP and their supporters are all licking each others private parts after yesterday. When are they going to tell us what they intend to cut to reduce the deficit? Whenever any of them were pressed for specifics they never answered.
    Sour grapes.

    I wonder if Boehner will tell Obama, "we won" at their first meeting?

    You have to stop getting your political news from Jon Stewart and Mad Magazine. Boehner has a plan.

    Could he ever live up to the leadership of the previous Speaker?

    “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it” - Nancy Pelosi

    Should be a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Sour grapes.

    I wonder if Boehner will tell Obama, "we won" at their first meeting?

    You have to stop getting your political news from Jon Stewart and Mad Magazine. Boehner has a plan.

    Could he ever live up to the leadership of the previous Speaker?

    “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it” - Nancy Pelosi

    Should be a no-brainer.
    So what programs are they going to cut?

    That's not sour grapes, that's a legitimate question given the GOP platform the last 18 months has been about excessive spending.

    Don't you know? The last time the GOP had control they spent like crazy. Since their policies are the primary cause of huge deficits, certainly they imparted to you what is on the chopping block. Or did you just vote because of blind partisanship? Boehner waved a plan at a press conference earlier in the year only to have it revealed there was nothing in it.
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    The last time I had CNN on,they were giving an update on the latest with Lindsay Lohan(and her loverly cans).
    What a co-winkydink.
    Must be something wrong with CNN if the best they can come up with is celebrity"news".
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No kidding. The last time I turned on Fox News they were giving an update on the latest with Lindsay Lohan.

    Riveting stuff.

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    The things passed in that time frame were passed because of bipartisanship on the Republicans' side which was returned in kind when a Republican President took office.The Democrats sure understand how to accept help but not give it.Such openmindedness.

    As I said,the Democrats were in the majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate when the financial crisis started.Why didn't THEY do something about it instead of accepting better bank loans that citizens can get from the very banks they were supposed to be overseeing(Chris Dodd,Barney Frank)?

    Not really.I'm the sort that assigns blame where it goes.Kinda like when I'd blamed Fireman Jimmy Carter for not checking the aforementioned forced draft blower's oil level before the turn of the watch.
    When it ran dry and threw turbine blades over the fireroom,I got the blame because it happened after *I* took over the watch and FN Carter had headed up to the messdeck and his bunk.
    Believe me,that defense that the previous watch made the error which caused the problem doesn't wash with a General Court Martial for dereliction of duty.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    What pieces of regulatory legislation were by blocked Dems from the years 1994 - 2006? The Dems only achieved a majority in Jan. 2007. I love the victimology that has become conservatism. Interesting how you accuse Obama of always blaming Bush when you blame Dems during time periods when they lacked the ability to do anything as the minority party.


    So what? Then you should realize destroying something is a lot easier than fixing it or repairing it. That is what was left to the Dems by Bush and the GOP.


    So you'll be critical of the GOP when they start blaming things on the Dem when they are seated in January? I can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The last time the GOP had control they spent like crazy. Since their policies are the primary cause of huge deficits, certainly they imparted to you what is on the chopping block. Or did you just vote because of blind partisanship? Boehner waved a plan at a press conference earlier in the year only to have it revealed there was nothing in it.
    "Primary cause of huge deficits".... how can you make that comment with a straight face after the spending orgy of the last 18 months???

    "blind partisanship" is also a funny statement from you...

    Your a funny guy!
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    Why not extend the tax cuts?The ones who have money should be encouraged to spend it by allowing them to keep it instead of taking it from them by taxing them at higher rates.
    If I ever get the $200K my lawyer claims I can get from work for a broken leg two years ago,for example,I am going to want to spend it on things that I want to,and not pay for food stamps to be used for candy,cigarettes and alcohol just because I would then be "rich".
    I'd rather invest it in a business of my own,hire people to work for me,pay their salaries and my own taxes to run the government.Those employees will buy things that they want,pay the businesses that hire people to sell their products and services and so on and so on and so on,aye forevermore Amen.
    It's called capitalism and it's a good thing.
    I can't do that very well if the government is going to say that I can "afford" a higher tax rate and take what I need to buy into that business,can I?
    Why is it that people want to stick it to the rich?They pay 90% of the taxes in this country even at lower percentage tax rates.(My sister and bro-in-law work for the IRS.Believe me,I know tax stuff and basic arithmetic)
    Why charge them higher rates for the same government?Are they not Americans,too?
    If higher taxes on the rich are what the Hollywood supporters of Barack Hussein Obama voted for when they gave their support to him,why is Oprah taking her show off the air to concentrate on her charities and why is Bill Gates giving away his billions of dollars?
    Are they recalling that scene from "Cannonball Run 2" where Jamie Farr's character said that he'd dreamed Allah came to him in a dream and told him to "Spread the wealth before Khomeini takes it all..." and figured that Obama intends to tax THEM even if they did back him in the recent Presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The GOP and their supporters are all licking each others private parts after yesterday. When are they going to tell us what they intend to cut to reduce the deficit? Whenever any of them were pressed for specifics they never answered.

    Since they want to extend the Bush tax cuts it is obvious they are not serious about cutting the deficit.

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    The liberals honestly beleive that the poor and middle class honestly have a right to the money of the rich.

    They honestly beleive that somehow thwe workers actually produced that wealth, not the owner of the company, the stockholders or the CEO, and that those who invested in the company should give it back to those who truly deserve it.

    The fact is wealth is a good thing, and the reality is that the majority of the money will be controlled by a few, and the majority will live middle or lower class lives. That is the beauty of capitalism.

    The liberals simply don't see that.

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    Its called wealth redistribution.

    “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    The things passed in that time frame were passed because of bipartisanship on the Republicans' side which was returned in kind when a Republican President took office.The Democrats sure understand how to accept help but not give it.Such openmindedness.
    You stated that Dodd and Frank blocked legislation that would have prevented the banking crisis. What pieces did they block? Your claim lacks any proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    As I said,the Democrats were in the majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate when the financial crisis started.Why didn't THEY do something about it instead of accepting better bank loans that citizens can get from the very banks they were supposed to be overseeing(Chris Dodd,Barney Frank)?
    Because there was a GOP president who made it clear he would veto any legislation that imposed regulations on the banking industry.

    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Not really.I'm the sort that assigns blame where it goes.Kinda like when I'd blamed Fireman Jimmy Carter for not checking the aforementioned forced draft blower's oil level before the turn of the watch.
    When it ran dry and threw turbine blades over the fireroom,I got the blame because it happened after *I* took over the watch and FN Carter had headed up to the messdeck and his bunk.
    Believe me,that defense that the previous watch made the error which caused the problem doesn't wash with a General Court Martial for dereliction of duty.
    Really? Did you say that to Bush. He blamed Clinton for just about everything till the day he left office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    The liberals honestly beleive that the poor and middle class honestly have a right to the money of the rich.

    They honestly beleive that somehow thwe workers actually produced that wealth, not the owner of the company, the stockholders or the CEO, and that those who invested in the company should give it back to those who truly deserve it.

    The fact is wealth is a good thing, and the reality is that the majority of the money will be controlled by a few, and the majority will live middle or lower class lives. That is the beauty of capitalism.

    The liberals simply don't see that.
    No they don't. They just want everyone to have the same opportunity. Something that doesn't occur when 1% of the population controls the majority of a nation's wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Its called wealth redistribution.

    “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
    And you believe redistribution of wealth doesn't occur in capitalist societies? You don't know much about history do you?

    Since you're big on quotes, here's one from an economist that is considered one of the icons of capitalism. While I admire Jefferson as a political philosopher he died broke.

    "The rate of profit... is naturally low in rich and high in poor countries, and it is always highest in the countries which are going fastest to ruin."
    -- Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And you believe redistribution of wealth doesn't occur in capitalist societies? You don't know much about history do you?

    Since you're big on quotes, here's one from an economist that is considered one of the icons of capitalism. While I admire Jefferson as a political philosopher he died broke.

    "The rate of profit... is naturally low in rich and high in poor countries, and it is always highest in the countries which are going fastest to ruin."
    -- Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations
    Actually, I'm an expert in history. So, I will ignore your silly comment.

    Redistribution of wealth via market forces is fine. Artificially altering that market using extreme taxes for social reasons is inefficient and inhibits the growth rate of that market.

    I'm tickled that you quoted Adam Smith. How quaint!

    "Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice: all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things. "
    Adam Smith

    "The real tragedy of the poor is the poverty of their aspirations."
    Adam Smith

    So, now you'll quote A.S. in a way to support the progressive tax system... go ahead. I'm ready to counter that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post

    So, now you'll quote A.S. in a way to support the progressive tax system... go ahead. I'm ready to counter that.
    "All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."

    "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."
    You don't understand the point. Smith believed in capitalism. He also believed that while it is a great of progress and its own worst enemy. It’s so good at pulling money out of the goose that lays the golden egg that it’ll eventually destroy it. The current financial mess is a good example.

    The free market is genius, but not omnipotent.

    Your remarks would be relevant if the market were truly free. It isn't, hasn't been for some time, and those that are the "haves" have no intention of changing it anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You don't understand the point. Smith believed in capitalism. He also believed that while it is a great of progress and its own worst enemy. Itís so good at pulling money out of the goose that lays the golden egg that itíll eventually destroy it. The current financial mess is a good example.
    Oh, I understand that he supported capitalism. However, he doesn't have the monopoly on defining it. He was the first to explore it in a popular manner and I think that some of his observations were dead on. Some are not so clear and couldn't possibly see the complicated markets we have today.

    The problem is that the current tax system in NO way follows the maxims of A.S.

    The simple fact is that the free market, like democracy can easily be cannibalistic and destroy itself.

    You need minor revolutions (like this last election and the recent revisions to the controls on the market) to keep the system working. Unfortunately, most times the corrections swing too far and have the wrong effect (also what I'm afraid has happened recently).

    I'm not a Tea Party Republican. However, I do believe that this country, state, county and township have to make significant changes in the way it spends money it doesn't have. All deficit spending isn't bad, but we've gone too far. Its not sustainable.

    I think the governor of the great state of NJ is in the process of slamming on the brakes and will help to put us on the right course.

    The free market is genius, but not omnipotent.
    Agreed. Just like the Republican party.
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    No they don't. They just want everyone to have the same opportunity. Something that doesn't occur when 1% of the population controls the majority of a nation's wealth.

    So the answer is to tax someone who is successful, or someone's family that has been successful at a higher rate than someone who has not been? Really, that's your answer?

    Sharing the wealth by taxing them isn't the answer. Reduce their tax load. Make them want to invest. Encourage philanthropic giving via deductions. Simply taking money from them because they have been successful isn't doing anyone any good.

    You want to give people opportunity? Make them take it. reduce social programs. reduce welfare. Force them to get of their butts and force them to make their own opportunities. And if they don't, guess what? it's their fault and not the fault of the rich who you expect to support those who have chosen to not take responsibility for their lives.

    Personal responsibility is the answer.

    Honestly, it's that simple. Raising the rates on the rich is simply not, never has been and never will be the answer so many liberals think it is.

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    Actually,I have often wondered why the Democrats throw hissy fits when the Republicans get a majority in one level of Congress,even as slim as the one they hold in the House of Representatives.Could it be because Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to give up Air Force tranpsortation to and from California at 15 minute strip alert notice?
    If they are that upset at losing a portion of the House,imagine how they'll behave when they learn that not all Americans want them to put as much government control into places where the government should be using Thomas Jefferson's Lassaie faire(sp!-it's been a while since Mr Larsha's and Mr Currie's American History classes ) approach to government and the free market.
    Instead of taking over businesses,the government should help by raising tariffs on imports to encourage people to buld factories in this country to make products.
    It wouldn't bother me to see taxes raised on businesses that hire illegal immigrants at a level which would make it cheaper to hire people who are natural US citizens to do the jobs they hire out for.
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    No,I said that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd failed to exercise the power they had as Chairs of the committees which were supposed to oversee the banking and finance industries.The proof I used came from watching the 6 o'clock news,usually the local CBS affiliate since the remote control on my tv is messed up and only have the buttons work on a set that cannot be set up on the unit.

    There were and are regulations on the banking industry.What we need are politicians on the overseeing committees who will see that the regs are enforced.

    President Bush got handed a declining economy,not because he didn't know what to do with it,but because the technology boom was ending even as William Jefferson Clinton left office.
    He gave the surplus back to the people who'd paid for it because we were being overtaxed during the Clinton years.We had such a robust economy IN SPITE of the Clinton era,not because of it.Imagine what we could have done in that time if we didn't have such high taxe rates.
    For that matter,I had to PAY extra from 1994 to 2001 and I never saw more than $23K a year during that time.I wasn't in the top 1% of wage earners at that paygrade.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You stated that Dodd and Frank blocked legislation that would have prevented the banking crisis. What pieces did they block? Your claim lacks any proof.


    Because there was a GOP president who made it clear he would veto any legislation that imposed regulations on the banking industry.


    Really? Did you say that to Bush. He blamed Clinton for just about everything till the day he left office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    So the answer is to tax someone who is successful, or someone's family that has been successful at a higher rate than someone who has not been? Really, that's your answer?
    Possibly.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Sharing the wealth by taxing them isn't the answer. Reduce their tax load. Make them want to invest. Encourage philanthropic giving via deductions. Simply taking money from them because they have been successful isn't doing anyone any good.
    Deductions are subsidies and interference in the free market. You want it both ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You want to give people opportunity? Make them take it. reduce social programs. reduce welfare. Force them to get of their butts and force them to make their own opportunities. And if they don't, guess what? it's their fault and not the fault of the rich who you expect to support those who have chosen to not take responsibility for their lives.
    Blah...blah....blah. The cute notion that private charity can or ever will provide for the vulnerable in society has been disproven by bitter experience ever since Dickensian Britain. Do we really need to learn that lesson again? Well, apparently, you do.


    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Personal responsibility is the answer.
    Great platitude. It conflicts with reality when one examines the wealth acquired by the wealthy in our society via their manipulation of the market and political process. Opportunities not even close to being available to those outside of those circles.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Honestly, it's that simple. Raising the rates on the rich is simply not, never has been and never will be the answer so many liberals think it is.
    It's only that simple to a simpleton.

    Tax cuts have been shown to not create jobs. The Bush tax cuts have been in effect for almost ten years. Bush had one of the worst records of job creation of any recent president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Actually,I have often wondered why the Democrats throw hissy fits when the Republicans get a majority in one level of Congress,even as slim as the one they hold in the House of Representatives.Could it be because Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to give up Air Force tranpsortation to and from California at 15 minute strip alert notice?
    If they are that upset at losing a portion of the House,imagine how they'll behave when they learn that not all Americans want them to put as much government control into places where the government should be using Thomas Jefferson's Lassaie faire(sp!-it's been a while since Mr Larsha's and Mr Currie's American History classes ) approach to government and the free market.
    Instead of taking over businesses,the government should help by raising tariffs on imports to encourage people to buld factories in this country to make products.
    It wouldn't bother me to see taxes raised on businesses that hire illegal immigrants at a level which would make it cheaper to hire people who are natural US citizens to do the jobs they hire out for.
    So when can we expect the newly elected GOP officials to reveal their plans for deficit reduction?

    Love your simplistic beliefs regarding the business community. You make it sound as though they are barely getting by. The reality is all those individuals who groveled for bailouts by Bush and Co. are sitting on mountains of cash.

    The rest of your post is completely laughable given the bellyaching we heard from the GOP the last two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So when can we expect the newly elected GOP officials to reveal their plans for deficit reduction?

    Love your simplistic beliefs regarding the business community. You make it sound as though they are barely getting by. The reality is all those individuals who groveled for bailouts by Bush and Co. are sitting on mountains of cash.

    The rest of your post is completely laughable given the bellyaching we heard from the GOP the last two years.
    But the reality is, it's their cash.

    It's not the poor's cash. It's not the government's cash. It's their cash and they have the right to spend it, or not spend it anyway they want. They have no obligation to do anything with it. The government has no place to tell them that they don't need it, or we feel you already have enough cash, so we are going to increase your tax rate so your cash will go to others who we feel need it more than you.
    I'm not a believer that it's the governments job to take care of those in need. it also not my job. If I choose to donate, fine, but my taxes shouldn't be supporting other member's of society's basic needs.

    It's simply not the gov'ts place to decide how rich is rich enough or how rich is too rich.

    More than once Obama has stated that he feels that there are people in this country who have more money than they need. The fact is people have the right to have as much money as they want, and it will never be the governments place to determine how rich our citizens can become, and tax rates shouldn't be any different just because they have acquired wealth.

    It's not their job to take care of society. It's people jobs responsibility to take care of their own needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    But the reality is, it's their cash.
    So who should pay for the services of government?

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    It's not the poor's cash. It's not the government's cash. It's their cash and they have the right to spend it, or not spend it anyway they want. They have no obligation to do anything with it. The government has no place to tell them that they don't need it, or we feel you already have enough cash, so we are going to increase your tax rate so your cash will go to others who we feel need it more than you.
    Only if you believe government had no part in an individual being able to achieve. A completely naive and ignorant belief.

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    I'm not a believer that it's the governments job to take care of those in need. it also not my job. If I choose to donate, fine, but my taxes shouldn't be supporting other member's of society's basic needs.
    I would like to have a nickel for every time I've heard that from someone who fell on hard times and needed to collect unemployment or food stamps to help them get back on their feet. I could have retired years ago.

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    It's simply not the gov'ts place to decide how rich is rich enough or how rich is too rich.
    More platitudes that ignore reality.

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    More than once Obama has stated that he feels that there are people in this country who have more money than they need. The fact is people have the right to have as much money as they want, and it will never be the governments place to determine how rich our citizens can become, and tax rates shouldn't be any different just because they have acquired wealth.
    He's never said anyone has more money than they need. You've dissolved into fantasy. Please tell me what country has a higher standard of living with lower taxes that has as lax an immigration of the US. I'll move there.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    It's not their job to take care of society. It's people jobs responsibility to take care of their own needs.
    You must not believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. I believe it is part of being a good citizen to pay taxes in order to ensure that society is protected, educated, able to conduct commerce to provide for those opportunities, and to provide a safety net for those who have fallen on hard times. Your belief is the typical IGM mindset that believes no one but yourself has provided for your opportunities. It ignores that no one has invaded our nation since the early 19th century, that the populace is educated (you may be one of the few that is private school educated), or that simple things like hot and cold running water exist, an adequate food supply exists, and the infrastructure to get it to market. I'm not surprised, you've never shown yourself to be much of a deep thinker.

    Fortunately for America, people like you have rarely been in charge of formulating public policy. We'd still be living in the America that existed before WW I. It wasn't all that great for folks who weren't wealthy. The working class (that's you) was treated poorly. The ruling powers of the day had similar beliefs as yours. Since they controlled the economy, the lower classes were considered expendable when little things like workplace injuries and fatalities occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I would like to have a nickel for every time I've heard that from someone who fell on hard times and needed to collect unemployment or food stamps to help them get back on their feet. I could have retired years ago.
    Unemployment is paid for through my payroll deduction. Its insurance, not welfare.

    I will never need food stamps. I say that with 100% assurance. I will never allow things to get that bad.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Unemployment is paid for through my payroll deduction. Its insurance, not welfare.
    It's still a socialist program as defined by the tea bag crowd. Funny how you don't see it that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I will never need food stamps. I say that with 100% assurance. I will never allow things to get that bad.
    You never know. Maybe you get hit by a drunk driver and end up driving a wheel chair with a straw in your teeth. LAFE believes churches will rush to your aid. Or your kidneys might shut down. Or a piece of plaque breaks loose and lodges in your head leaving you drooling in a cup. You would be wise to not believe in absolutes.

    How about the backstroking by Boner and company on where they are going to cut? Instead they're saying they'll wait for the report from Obama's Deficit Commission. A commission they opposed. They've made it clear Social Security, Medicare, and Defense are off the table. Which pretty much eliminates the big ticket items and keeps in place two major socialist programs. Which is inconsistent with all the rhetoric we've heard the last year.

    Reminds me of my grade school days when we were told about Duck and Cover.

    Tea baggers got played for suckers. Though I doubt they'll ever admit it.
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