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    Default Rookie hand book help!!! to answer some questions please HELP!!!!

    I know I know .... but if any of you have any





    - What does 50:1 fuel ratio mean????.



    -What type of fuel does saw's generators and fans take?.



    - What's the difference between Utility rope and life line???.



    -What does Flying stand pipe mean?.


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    Can any one define.

    Driver-



    OIC-



    Hook / can man-



    Outside vent man-



    Roof man-




    What do Fire Investigators Carry?.






    Please help me out I would very much thank you for this please help

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    This is the kind of stuff that you need to learn on your own. Help denied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heat202 View Post
    I know I know .... but if any of you have any





    - What does 50:1 fuel ratio mean????.
    this is the ratio of gas to oil mixture.


    -What type of fuel does saw's generators and fans take?.

    Easy answer. type of fuel = Gas well, correction, we have a diesel generator on one truck, and hydraulic on another, and a gas on the other engine.
    Saws usually take mixed, generators, take strait, and fans....its a toss up ours take strait


    - What's the difference between Utility rope and life line???.
    Utility rope is reusable, life line is used once, then it becomes utility rope. there is another issue of type, but I don't remember, look it up

    -What does Flying stand pipe mean?
    For my dept, it is the hook up on our Ariel


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    Can any one define.

    Driver- The driver of the truck.



    OIC- Officer in Charge



    Hook / can man- This is different terminology that I've been taught, 7 years ago



    Outside vent man- The guy on the outside of the structure, doing ventilation operations



    Roof man- the guy on the roof




    What do Fire Investigators Carry? My dept, coffee, donuts, and a can of chew. I don't know what they are looking for.. a camera maybe?






    Please help me out I would very much thank you for this please help

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    Sounds like a homework assignment. You should just look it up......

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    - What's the difference between Utility rope and life line???.
    Utility rope is reusable, life line is used once, then it becomes utility rope. there is another issue of type, but I don't remember, look it up


    Rescue rope must be dynamic, meaning it will stretch somewhat under a load and absorb shock. Utility rope is static, meaning it will not stretch under a load. Also the composition of the rope differs. And yes, used rescue rope can be used as utility rope.

    What do Fire Investigators Carry? My dept, coffee, donuts, and a can of chew. I don't know what they are looking for.. a camera maybe?

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    I learned a lot by keeping my mouth shut and my eyes/ears open. I still learn that way although we have such a high turnover rate for vollies that I have to speak more now.

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    Heat202, a little work on your part and you could easily find these answer these questions yourself. Looks like MonkeyBiz did your homework for you, which you might want to take advantage of, because the rest of us wouldn't.

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    Hey Box, you pretty much summed it up.

    By the way, the Fire Investigator also carries a big stick... it is useful to remind rookies to pay attention.
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    I may have told him the time of day or what happens to rookies who go and get others to do their homework!!


    I think a oral test would get him hung!


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    Wow if anyone on my small dept tryed to pull answers out like this that would be a never ending workout every drill.

    Ive been on for a number of years and we train and teach and help with problems and even studding if needed but if a rook took it outside to find help................................ what are they going to do when the roof begins to calapse and there is only time to react, theres no time to phone a friend then.

    HEAT, hit the books, dont attempt to do something your only guessing on, your fellow firefighters lives mean more then a guess.

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    So why is asking people on the internet such a big problem for you. I am glad the guys on my department were not so hostile when I started. Where, Do you believe this info should come from?

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    From your crew the guys that are putting there lives on the line with the trusted heart that they believe the one they are entering the fire with knows there stuff. Trust in a crew is like oil in the truck, without it it goes nowhere.

    Heat, talk to your crew, you might be surprised how much they will be willing to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAFD112 View Post
    Where, Do you believe this info should come from?
    Ask the guys in the station. Ask guys from neighboring departments. Check the ISFTA guide. Read reference material in the station. And when all else fails: GOOGLE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Ask the guys in the station. Ask guys from neighboring departments. Check the ISFTA guide. Read reference material in the station. And when all else fails: GOOGLE!
    If the guys at his station are as unfriendly as some on this forums he'll get more flack than answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAFD112 View Post
    If the guys at his station are as unfriendly as some on this forums he'll get more flack than answers.
    The point is that he shouldnt be asking ANYONE for the answers. He SHOULD be making an attempt to find the answers on his own. Now, perhaps if he has asked "Where might I find these answers" or "What text would I find this information in?" I might have been more inclined to help him. There's not much in your profile.....I bet you are another young kid who thinks the world owes you everything and/or thinks its ok to take the easy way out of everything.

    When I was a Junior if I had flat out asked the questions, I would probably have received about 20 more (and harder) questions to provide written answers for.
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    FWDbuff and myself are what you call "Old School." When we were rookies there wasn't the Internet , google or Facebook Friends. We had to look up our answers in "Books" or ask fellow rookies where to go for the answers. Today's rookies have the world at their fingers and they post their questions on the site for others to answer. I'm sorry that Monkeybiz did your homework and if I were you I'd do my own work. I'm also with CaptOldTimer and I'd show you the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    The point is that he shouldnt be asking ANYONE for the answers. He SHOULD be making an attempt to find the answers on his own. Now, perhaps if he has asked "Where might I find these answers" or "What text would I find this information in?" I might have been more inclined to help him. There's not much in your profile.....I bet you are another young kid who thinks the world owes you everything and/or thinks its ok to take the easy way out of everything.

    When I was a Junior if I had flat out asked the questions, I would probably have received about 20 more (and harder) questions to provide written answers for.

    I totally agree with this and what others have said to this guy.

    Why should we older guys do this rookies home work?

    What is he going to get from it, a passing grade maybe? He will not have the sense of looking and digging for the answers. He will probably go through his fd career not looking or researching the answers and will always want it given to him the easy way.

    I don't know from what department he is with, but I can tell you he wouldn't make it in a large career one.

    The recruit classes I have done and had control of, he would have a hard time making it.


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    Here we see a rookie Harve Woods (right) on a hard-stand during the Wright Brothers expermentation on December 17, 1903.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heat202 View Post
    I know I know .... but if any of you have any

    A few questions of my own.........



    - What does 50:1 fuel ratio mean????. What's a Fuel Ratio?



    -What type of fuel does saw's generators and fans take?. Are they Gas or Electric??



    - What's the difference between Utility rope and life line???. Difference??



    -What does Flying stand pipe mean?.Is that an Airplane Water Supply Thing??


    -




    Can any one define.

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    OIC-



    Hook / can man-



    Outside vent man-



    Roof man-




    What do Fire Investigators Carry?.






    Please help me out I would very much thank you for this please help
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAFD112 View Post
    If the guys at his station are as unfriendly as some on this forums he'll get more flack than answers.
    I would readily help someone to came to me for help in the station, versus someone who was given an assignment to research these answers, and instead asks for forum members to answer the questions for him. He even admits it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    - What's the difference between Utility rope and life line???.
    Utility rope is reusable, life line is used once, then it becomes utility rope. there is another issue of type, but I don't remember, look it up


    Rescue rope must be dynamic, meaning it will stretch somewhat under a load and absorb shock. Utility rope is static, meaning it will not stretch under a load. Also the composition of the rope differs. And yes, used rescue rope can be used as utility rope.

    What do Fire Investigators Carry? My dept, coffee, donuts, and a can of chew. I don't know what they are looking for.. a camera maybe?

    Watch Backdraft.
    Epic Fail sir. Don't know if you are leading this guy astray just to mess with him, or if you honestly believe this.

    Most life safety rope, or rope used in a rescue operation will be static kern-mantle. Dynamic rope is used primarily by the rock climbing community. Due to it's elastic nature it has been deemed by most spec ops to be difficult to work with in rescue situations.

    You don't want to fall or absorb a shock with rescuing someone, littering a patient, or picking someone off. Imagine creating a high-line with that much sag in the line, wouldn't be practical and you'd probably get stuck in the middle.

    The argument can be made for Dynamic during very specific rescue situations, but I believe you will find that most places will be able to use static in those very situations that would justify having a dynamic bag.

    I can appreciate if you are messing with the OP, as he should look this information up rather than try to get the info off of a forum (basic information at that)

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    heat202: Fuel Ratio refers to the ratio of fuel (gasoline) to lubricant (petroleum or synthetic oils) that are used to power two cycle engines that are not "Oil Injected". At a ratio of 50 : 1 the usual blend is 2.5 oz of lubricant to 1 gallon of fuel. Lubricants used are specially formulated NOT to cause "carbon bridging" of the gap in the spark plug thus shorting out the plug and shutting down the engine. The higher ratios (50:1) suggest synthetic lubricant (like Optimol) while the lower ratios (32:1, 25:1) suggest petroleum based oils. The air and fuel mixture leaving the carburator passes through a "flutter valve" that closes due to crankcase pressure when the piston is in the power stroke. Partway through the powerstroke, the exhaust valve is opened and exhaust gasses are vented from the cylinder. This allows the slightly compressed fuel/air mixture in the crankcase to be forced into the cylinder, flushing the burned gasses out the exhaust valve. Slightly after the bottom of the power/exhaust stroke, both intake and exhaust valves are closed causing the fresh fuel/air mixture to be compressed and readied for ignition at the top of the stroke. It also creates a slightly negative pressure in the crankcase drawing in a fresh fuel and air supply. The heated surfaces in the crankcase, vaporize the gasoline portion of the mixture leaving behind the lubricant on bearing and piston sleeve surfaces thus providing lubrication to critical engine parts. This is probably more than you wanted to know, but it points out theneed to follow manufacturers recommendations concerning the type and amount of lubricant needed in the "Fuel Ratio".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Here we see a rookie Harve Woods (right) on a hard-stand during the Wright Brothers expermentation on December 17, 1903.
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