Here's my reply to a question from a NY State fire officer working on specs for a new rescue truck for their city department.
"Chief, just wondering if you had a preference of where to locate the extrication equipment (cutters and spreaders) on a Heavy rescue? We are in the process of building a new Heavy Rescue and we have conflicting opinions. Some REALLY want the tools in the front bumper. I am suggesting to put them in the rear compartment preconnected to hose reels. Any input would be appreciated."
I think over the past few years, the trend has been to extend the front bumper and have a reel there for a cutter and another reel there for a spreader. In between these reels, I see departments mount the two tools and a set of irons. With a front setup, the rescue vehicle blocks and crews work off the front which is most likely protected from moving traffic.
If you go with a rescue compartment on one side or the other of the apparatus, then you have to work out a way to get hoses or equipment from one side of the rig to the other if the crashed cars are on the opposite side of your rig. You'd probably need 00' reels to get all the way around your unit and still have working lengths of hose. On our Trucks in McKinney, we established a rescue compartment on the officer's side. With that layout, it is preferred that the apparatus arrive on scene and position in a block-to-the-left angle with the crash scene on their right side. That way, the tools are typically close to the scene and the work area is protected.
If you go with a rear rescue compartment, then you have to always position at an incident scene so that this work area is protected from moving traffic. You would need the rear of the rescue to always be protected by another apparatus upstream. Also, with a rear rescue compartment, your apparatus is not blocking for you because you will most likely have to get in the habit of pulling past the crashed vehicles to work comfortably off the rear.
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11-25-2010, 12:41 PM #1
Rescue Tools on Front, Side, or Rear?Ron Moore, Forum Moderator
11-27-2010, 09:21 AM #2
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- Central NJ
We just took delivery of a new rescue a few months back. We have a 28" spreader and a cutter on the bumper with 100' reels. On the drivers side first compartment, we have a 32" spreader and high force cutter on 100' reels and on the officers side first compartment we have a telescopic ram and mini-cutter on 100' reels.
We really like the tools on the bumper. They are run from a TNT quad diesel pump that we can start from the cab or operators panel. The quad pump runs the bumper reels and the drivers side reels. The officers side reels are run by a 220v electric simp pump off the direct drive generator.
Our feeling and expierence has been that having the tools as far forward on the rig as possible allows us to nose into wrecks and still be able to use the rig to block the work area. Its worked really well for us. For those rare occasions where we are a little ways away from the rig we have a gas simo pump on the rig and our second our truck also has a gas simo pump (in 17 years I can only think of one time I had to do this).
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11-27-2010, 03:46 PM #3
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Another option depending on what type of HRT you are utilizing is the bulkhead "plug-n-play" connections which can be plumbed to various locations on the apparatus. Some departments are utilizing these type of setups vs. traditional hose reels. HRT tools can be stored at designated compartment locations on the apparatus but connected via quick connect hose sections on all sides of the apparatus. http://www.holmatro-usa.com/bulkhead.htm
Not sure but one would assume that the Hurst Streamline, Genesis OSC and TNT Nexus quick connect couplers could also be plumbed in a similar configuration.
11-29-2010, 11:09 AM #4
It makes operational sense to have the tools on the front, but what an expensive fender-bender it can be if the rig strikes something. This is part of the reason front-mount pumps have fallen out of favor.
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11-30-2010, 11:11 AM #5
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- Northeast PA
When we built our apparatus in 2005, we afforded space to have a spreader and cutter on the front bumper and both sides of the apparatus. Depending on the positioning of the incident, we can deploy either side with the front bumper or all three sets of tools.
To avoid the expensive fender bender, we added the extreme duty front bumper. The twevle inch steel U-channel can withstand a fair hit without damage. The decorative polished bumpers can't take a hit from anything, first-hand experience unfortunately.
12-01-2010, 09:03 AM #6
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Previous engines we had that doubled as the "rescue" piece have always had the hydraulic reels in the rear compartment. Probably 90% of the wrecks we ran we could not pull past the scene and it would require one person to pull the hydraulic hose off the reel and feed it around the side of the engine while another walked with the tool. We would loose 35ft of hose just to reach the front bumper so our 100ft reel was now only a 65ft reel.
Our new rescue that can function as an engine has a CMW Dual Reel behind the extreme-duty front bumper. This has 100ft of 10/4 electric and 100ft of hydraulic hose with a pre-connected combination tool. Now we can go 100ft ahead of the piece.
There are two more hydraulic reels on each side of the piece in the middle of the rescue. This way they are just as far from the front as they are from the back. Each side has a pre-connected 32" spreader and cutter.
Since we are running a AMKUS Ultimate system the four CMW side reels contain 200ft of hydraulic hose each and have no loss of speed or power due to the power of the Ultimate System. We control all the reels with our AMKUS wireless remotes which work over 300ft away from the piece.
12-01-2010, 09:32 AM #7
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The sides of the rescue have 200ft hydraulic (2 per side) and 200ft of 10/4 electric (1 per side) reels. To help deploy the hose/cable the roller fairleads slide out from the truck about 8" and keep the hose/cable from rubbing the weatherstrip and paint.
Built by 4-Guys to our specs. Note the colors of the reels and electric cords.
12-03-2010, 01:18 AM #8Originally Posted by madden01
"and everyone is encouraged to use Plain, Spelled Out English. I thought this was covered in NIMS training."
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