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    Does anyone have any experience with the Peterbilt 348 (Formally 340) Chassis in the fire service? We're possibly looking at a new tanker, and a Peterbilt would be very convenient when it comes to service & repair availability. I am aware of the IH's, Freightliners, and other chassis, but I would really like some feedback on the Peterbilt's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADC120 View Post
    Does anyone have any experience with the Peterbilt 348 (Formally 340) Chassis in the fire service? We're possibly looking at a new tanker, and a Peterbilt would be very convenient when it comes to service & repair availability. I am aware of the IH's, Freightliners, and other chassis, but I would really like some feedback on the Peterbilt's.
    While Peterbilt has not been a major player in the fire chassis business, the ones that are out there that I'm aware of have given good accounts of themselves. They are, of course, from Paccar which also owns Kenworth. I believe that there is no reason why a properly spec'd and built Pete shouldn't give you more than adequate service. You indicate that you have a dealer convenient to you. That's a biggie, as long as they give good service.

    I would certainly recommend talking to your prospective builders and see what their history with Pete is. And don't accept, "We can build on any chassis." The question should be, "How many have you done?" Then find who has any and talk to them. From that builder and others.

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    Well said chiefengineer11...

    You will certainly want to talk with any potential builders for this truck, and see what their experience has been with Peterbuilt chassis's. Don't just take one manufacturers word for it, talk to several of them. One may have had numerous problems, but others may actually prefer them. I agree that a properly spec'd out Pete should do just fine for you, especially since you have a dealer nearby.
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    Depending on what you're looking for this might work. Even if you want to go with another builder or style you might be able to some info on this unit from a local dealer just to get ideas. Just a thought.


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    contact Northville FD in CT they run a fleet of Peterbuilts 5 by my count

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    My department has a 2009 Peterbilt 340 US Tanker. The chassis is decent for its size. It is powered by the 360HP Paccar PX8 motor (Cummins). We would have prefered a larger chassis but were shot down by our Twp Supervisors due to cost and 1 dip**** thinking it was overkill.

    My only complaint is that we put the batteries under the officers seat and because of their mount the seat can't go backwards fully. Nobody mentioned that during the specing.

    Other than that we are happy with the chassis.

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    Cummins

    Tiny antique sized cab. The extra room of an IH or Frtliner cab is needed when you want to put 2x FF in TO gear. Can put 3x FF in IH/Frtliner don't even think about it in a Pete.

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    Thanks for the comments so far, I welcome any further input on the subject. Sigarms, since the PX-8 is the largest engine available, does the truck perform well, or is it underpowered? I assume the reason the batteries are in the cab, is due to the vertical exhaust? Neiowa, does your department have experience with Peterbilt? Two of our pumpers are Freightliner, and I ran a IH 4900 for years.
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    Isn't Pete out of the fire service because they do not provide any stability control?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFD_E73_RET View Post
    Isn't Pete out of the fire service because they do not provide any stability control?
    If a rig will pass a tilt table test, stability control isn't always necessary.

    I think the comments on the cab size are accurate, and the door opening is such that I almost always hit my head when getting in or out when I have one in my possession. Driving dynamics are fine on the models I've sampled, but the cab does not quite get to Freightliner and IH standards for room and such things as noise and vibration levels. Much more noticed by a guy like me that has to drive one for hours on end as opposed to running it to a fire scene for a few minutes.

    I believe, and I would need to check, there is a substantial difference in price between the Pete and Freightliner and IH. If it meets your needs, it will likely be your lowest cost choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801 View Post

    I believe, and I would need to check, there is a substantial difference in price between the Pete and Freightliner and IH. If it meets your needs, it will likely be your lowest cost choice.
    Does the Pete compete with IH 4 or 7 series? How about the FL?

    Just curiosity here...the tanker posted earlier holds almost 3000 gallons, and I can't imagine seeing that on a IH 4400.

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    Peterbuilt & Kenworth build class 6,7 & 8 chassis. available in many different GVW
    configurations from 26,000 to 80,000 gvw

    3000 gallons of water would need a Navistar 7400 chassis

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipatrol8 View Post
    Does the Pete compete with IH 4 or 7 series? How about the FL?

    Just curiosity here...the tanker posted earlier holds almost 3000 gallons, and I can't imagine seeing that on a IH 4400.
    Peterbilt refers to them as "Baby 8's" You can order them with 46,000# rears.

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    The Mid-Range Peterbuilt and Kenworth chassis are built in the same Paccar plant outside of Montreal, Canada The Peterbuilt had some items as std equipment where they were options on the Kenworth chassis. Kind of like Ford and Mercury’s built in the same plant.

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    Sigarms, since the PX-8 is the largest engine available, does the truck perform well, or is it underpowered? I assume the reason the batteries are in the cab, is due to the vertical exhaust?
    With the amount of water we carry it is slightly under powered. Not as bad as our previous unit but it is under powered. Like I said, we wanted a larger chassis and motor but were over ridden by our municipality that was paying for the unit. If your unit is going to be similar size I would STRONGLY encourage you to go with a larger chassis with more HP.

    Yes, the batteries moved inside the cab due to the vertical exhaust.
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    We have a Pete 335 with Cummins 330 horse. It may be low on power but with 3000 gallons of water it probably is alot safer. One thing I would not do without is the Haulmax rear suspension. This truck handles real well and empty to full truck heigth hardly changes.

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    Default Kenworth T800

    This one carries 3300 gallons of water.

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    This one carries 3300 gallons of water.

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    Maybe it does, but it's not a PETERBILT. That is a Kenworth T800 which is a heavier class truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipatrol8 View Post
    Does the Pete compete with IH 4 or 7 series? How about the FL?

    Just curiosity here...the tanker posted earlier holds almost 3000 gallons, and I can't imagine seeing that on a IH 4400.
    If you have ANY brains,that would go on a 7400/7600 series NOT a 44, For SO many reasons. OR,if you prefer, a 55/5600. T.C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFD_E73_RET View Post
    Isn't Pete out of the fire service because they do not provide any stability control?
    Stability control is tied to the ABS, I doubt it would be hard to do or very well may be available on KW/Pete. We don't run 'em so I don't know. I'll look into it. T.C.

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    I just noticed that my reply didn't go through before. We have two Peterbilt tankers. One carries 1250, the other 2000. I want to say its a 340 (Model year 2004). It has more than enough power to hold 1250 gallons. It will push our first out engine down the road on the way to any rural call. I haven't had much experience with the 2000 gallon tanker yet, just got it last week. I will say it sucks sitting in the officer's seat in those trucks with full gear on, no room at all. I'm 6' 2" 175 soaking wet, 200ish with gear, I know there are some guys who can't even think about climbing in there comfortably.

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    A few thoughts from my experience with a Pete 330, instead of buying the 357 chassis.

    Small engine. Cummins ISC 8 liter was the biggest engine available. It works pulling 2500 gal on level ground, not so much on hills. The engine brake works VERY WELL

    Small cab. Same cab as the bigger chassis so no difference there, but not big enough for wearing full turnout gear comfortably. Getting in and out can be a hazard.

    Biggest steer tires available were 315 width. Yes they were rated for the 18K front end but my theory was when you drive that heavily loaded front end off the pavement a larger tire would be better to prevent sinking. A 425 would have been nice.

    No locking rear ends available. I'm not sure why, this is what I was told. Quad locks have saved my butt more times than I can count, nice to have em just in case.

    None of this may be the case on the 348. But when going with the smaller chassis you have limitations. I just depends if you can live within those limitations and still get the truck you want.
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    Just to pass on the knowledge, we did a lot of research on Peterbilt and have found that they accommodate the Fire Service very well. They have spent a lot of time developing their chassis for fire department applications, including stability control among other things. We decided on the 348 after careful consideration, and will be opening bids on the 31st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADC120 View Post
    Just to pass on the knowledge, we did a lot of research on Peterbilt and have found that they accommodate the Fire Service very well. They have spent a lot of time developing their chassis for fire department applications, including stability control among other things. We decided on the 348 after careful consideration, and will be opening bids on the 31st.
    What lead you to decide on the Pete? Features, price, dealer/mfg?

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    Well our pumpers are Freightliner M2 106's with Cat C7 engines, but since Cat dropped out of the commercial truck engine business; keeping the fleet the same wasn't possible. We have a limited budget (who doesn't?) so we wanted to invest as much as possible in whats behind the cab rather than the chassis, but at the same time getting a dependable truck that could survive being taken off road. We talked to people that used similar chassis in other vocations, and they seemed pleased with Peterbilt. We also talked with Peterbilt's engineers in Denton Texas, and without bringing it up, listened to them name off all the options they offered to make their chassis 1901 compliant. So we knew then, that they had done their homework. The cabs are smaller, but our tankers are usually staffed by one person, so not a big deal. The engines are rebadged Cummins, so service is readily available, and the ground clearance is also good for us. We are taking sealed bids until the 31st of this month, so we haven't decided on a manufacturer, but with the exception of E-One, nobody who has asked for the RFP packet, has indicated any problem with building on Peterbilt.

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