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    Default what is a speedlay or crosslay?

    OK, cant really find this, I must be slow.
    I'm pretty sure I know what a crosslay is, our engine has 2-1.75 & 1-2.5 of them above the pump panel that transverse the cab.
    What is a speedlay and how is it different? The terms seemed to be used together but refer to different lays. Pictures would help.
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    I don't know if it's a regional difference or what. There are some different hoselays that are a little quicker to deploy, such as the Baker Load.
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    speedlays are lower than crosslays typically
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    Speedlays have pull-out trays.

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    And...... Not to be confused with the term "Mattydale" coined after the Mattydale, NY FD.

    As far as I know we have never called crosslays Mattydales.

    I am from the old school and like the rear preconnected lines, next to the main hose bed. This puts the pumper or wagon pass the building and the hose plays out better. Plus it gives the front of the structure to the Truck Co.

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    Default Crosslay - Speedlay

    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue61 View Post
    Speedlays have pull-out trays.
    Not all speedlays have pull out trays but most of the time they do. Speedlays on a top mount with cutouts do not always have the pull out tray.

    Crosslay in photo one
    Speedlay in photo 2 (with the pull out tray)
    Speedlays on a side mount in photo 3
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    tomwnh summed it up. Some trucks have one or the other, some trucks have both.
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    I always wondered about the mechanics of those pull out trays. How the heck do you preconnect something that pulls out like that, and how come they don't bind up when you slide them back in? It looks like you'd need a bionic arm to connect a pony length to the center swivel...

    The only speedlays we have are in our old rescue pumper. They have no trays- they are located under the crew cab's bench seat, and you remove the seat cushion to repack em. If you try to add 1 length too many and/or use a TFT handline w/pistol grip, they get wedged very easily. A bit of a pain, but they are easily reached by even the shortest firefighter, and it sure beats climbing on top of a slippery, ice/slush covered pumper to repack the crosslays!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnee View Post
    And...... Not to be confused with the term "Mattydale" coined after the Mattydale, NY FD.

    As far as I know we have never called crosslays Mattydales.

    I am from the old school and like the rear preconnected lines, next to the main hose bed. This puts the pumper or wagon pass the building and the hose plays out better. Plus it gives the front of the structure to the Truck Co.
    I've seen several new pumpers with no crosslays/speedlays. Maybe we are going "back to the future."

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    Default Above the hose load

    [QUOTE=Nozzle nut 22;1229602]I always wondered about the mechanics of those pull out trays. How the heck do you preconnect something that pulls out like that, and how come they don't bind up when you slide them back in? It looks like you'd need a bionic arm to connect a pony length to the center swivel...

    The chicksan swivels are at the top above the hose load. If you look at the photo of the speedlays in the side mount panel you can see one hanging down on in the upper speedlay opening.

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    When I design a truck from a specification I consider crosslays go horizontal across a truck and speedlays go vertical. You can get both crosslays and speedlays with a top-mount pump.

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    So I take it my 2 adopted Pierces with top mounts with the hose under the pump panel are actually Speed-lays and not Cross-lays?? As for getting to them, they are in a type of niche/hole under the pump panel, and not on a tray.

    Why the need for the 2 different names, when they are used to do the same thing???

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREMECH1 View Post
    Why the need for the 2 different names, when they are used to do the same thing???

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    Good question. One might assume that after so many years of rear hosebeds, when some places started having them laid crossways to the rear bed, they were dubbed "crosslays"? I'm betting "speedlay" was just a marketing name by some builder who wanted to promote them. I know our Central States has both styles and they were labelled "speedlay1 &2" and crosslay 1&2" by the builder, not us. None have the removable trays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nozzle nut 22 View Post
    I always wondered about the mechanics of those pull out trays. How the heck do you preconnect something that pulls out like that, and how come they don't bind up when you slide them back in? It looks like you'd need a bionic arm to connect a pony length to the center swivel...

    The "chicksan swivels" are at the top above the hose load. If you look at the photo of the speedlays in the side mount panel you can see one hanging down on in the upper speedlay opening.
    Why are they called "chicksan swivals"?? Not just an elbow swival. I've heard them called that before, but don't know why.

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    FIREMECH1: You are correct. The ones under the pump panel would list as "Speedlays" and if you have hose behind the top mount panel those would be the "crosslays". It may be as simple an answer as manufacturers needing a way to differenciate between the two locations for design purposes.

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    [QUOTE=donethat;1229690]
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    Why are they called "chicksan swivals"?? Not just an elbow swival. I've heard them called that before, but don't know why.
    It is a brand name, type of swivel. Google it.
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    Not the best pic, but here's a topmount with both. Both speedlay have 200' 1.75" hoselines. The crosslays have 200' of 1.75 and 200' of 3" for the Blitzfire.
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    I have always heard that speedlays were in front of the pump module and crosslays were on top of it. At least that is what the apparatus dealers we deal with call them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conehead222 View Post
    I have always heard that speedlays were in front of the pump module and crosslays were on top of it. At least that is what the apparatus dealers we deal with call them.
    ditto that !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conehead222 View Post
    I have always heard that speedlays were in front of the pump module and crosslays were on top of it. At least that is what the apparatus dealers we deal with call them.
    Best analogy I've seen so far. Point taken, thanks.

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