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    Quote Originally Posted by jkoby View Post
    I used to not wear the SCBA on field fires. However, after hanging over the edge of our Brush Truck while manning the hose and having the smoke come up over me a few times, I started wearing the SCBA. It makes it much easier to actually spray the fire when you can see it. My eyes don't water from the smoke and I can actually breathe....But then a few others tried it and agreed that it is easier to work with it on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    I prefer to wear either a turnout coat or EMS style reflective jacket. I generally would only wear the vest when it's warm out and I only have my duty uniform on. I see way too many guys with the vest on during fire suppression, I don't know what that's about. Personally, I think vests are generally overkill and ineffective. Setting up proper safety zones and blocking or even shutting down a road is going to save more lives. If they hit you and you weren't wearing a vest, you were probably where you shouldn't be, or they already missed a dozen other warning signs and would've hit you anyway.
    Unfortunately, the Federal law mandating that you wear the vest kind of trumps what you "prefer" and "think".
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    FyredUp, you must have worked for one progressive full time department. Hope retirement is treating you great. Big B

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoserbt View Post
    FyredUp, you must have worked for one progressive full time department. Hope retirement is treating you great. Big B
    In many ways they were. I would also, say my #1 POC FD was very progressive in PPE, SCBA, and the use of vests. We had green there long before that was the new better idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcjack View Post
    Unfortunately, the Federal law mandating that you wear the vest kind of trumps what you "prefer" and "think".
    Actually, the number of responders hit by vehicles even when everything is done right proves that vest don't do anything... A vest won't protect you if they won't even slow down for the big red truck with all the flashing lights... Shutting down a road is the ultimate protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Actually, the number of responders hit by vehicles even when everything is done right proves that vest don't do anything... A vest won't protect you if they won't even slow down for the big red truck with all the flashing lights... Shutting down a road is the ultimate protection.
    Yeah, but how many people were NOT hit because they WERE wearing a vest? We'll never know. We can't prove a negative. If there's a possibility of saving ONE firefighter from death or serious injury, it's probably worth all of us wearing them.

    I agree with the idea of closing down as much of the road as is necessary. Keeping the traffic flowing is pretty far down the priority list for me. You still don't want to be between the apparatus and the traffic, though. Let them hit the rig if they're not going to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjak View Post
    Yeah, but how many people were NOT hit because they WERE wearing a vest? We'll never know. We can't prove a negative. If there's a possibility of saving ONE firefighter from death or serious injury, it's probably worth all of us wearing them.

    I agree with the idea of closing down as much of the road as is necessary. Keeping the traffic flowing is pretty far down the priority list for me. You still don't want to be between the apparatus and the traffic, though. Let them hit the rig if they're not going to stop.
    I personally have NO faith that a vest makes a difference on an emergency scene. There's so much going on, I truly believe that they don't stand out to people. Not that I don't believe in being visible, I think any modern turnout gear or EMS type jacket does the job just fine. But then again I use vehicle placement. cones/flares, and watching traffic as my primary safety measures.

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    Definitely NOT a substitute for apparatus placement, flares, vigilance, etc.

    I think sometimes civilians are so wrapped up in the big red trucks or the emergency itself that they just don't see the responders. The vest certainly can't hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjak View Post
    Definitely NOT a substitute for apparatus placement, flares, vigilance, etc.

    I think sometimes civilians are so wrapped up in the big red trucks or the emergency itself that they just don't see the responders. The vest certainly can't hurt.
    Yep, had some stupid woman on a cell phone pass 10 feet in front of me today on a run at an intersection.

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