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    Taking a break from sniffing bunker gear again, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firehouse_Chick View Post

    This new video reminded me of the discussion in this thread. Great points emphasized again.

    Well, I'll tell you what. This past cycle at work we went out and trained on our new 1 3/4 inch Ponn Conquest hose and I guarantee you that if we tried to do that hands back off the nozzle for up down and all around it doesn't work. We normally use a 1 1/8 inch tip, and with that tip moving your hands back from the nozzle causes not only kinking, but violent kinking that makes control of the hose virtually impossible. We tested it with a 1 inch tip and got the same results. We then went to a 75 psi 200 gpm low pressure combo nozzle and got similar results. The only nozzle that allowed us to move our hands back and do the up down all around with was a 100 psi combo nozzle.

    I just find your vendetta based on second hand information tiresome and ridiculous. You base all you have on videos, info from your brother, and nothing on any personal experience actually utilizing the tools in real world firefighting. Maybe as a 16 year old explorer you should realize that your mission is too LEARN and not try to tell people that have been fighting fire longer than you are alive that they are wrong in what they do.
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    The guy speaking in this video is the backup man in the video. I won't give his name, but he's an FDNY ff and a well known member on this forum. I'd love to hear his feedback if he were to get a chance to read this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firehouse_Chick View Post
    The guy speaking in this video is the backup man in the video. I won't give his name, but he's on this forum. I'd love to hear his feedback if he were to get a chance to read this thread.

    And again...YOU have no personal experience, knowledge, time on the job, or anything else, to support any position you may decide to have on ANYTHING firefighting related. Quoting others, and posting videos, to try and validate your uneducated opinion mean nothing.

    Try learning and developing enough time on the job to develop YOUR OWN ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    And again...YOU have no personal experience, knowledge, time on the job, or anything else, to support any position you may decide to have on ANYTHING firefighting related. Quoting others, and posting videos, to try and validate your uneducated opinion mean nothing.

    Try learning and developing enough time on the job to develop YOUR OWN ideas.
    Looks like what I said about pistol grips and nozzle ops has been Validated. By more than one party. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Looks like what I said about pistol grips and nozzle ops has been Validated. By more than one party. T.C.

    I put FAR more weight in what YOU have to say than some 16 year old explorer who hasn't ever crawled down a smoke and fire filled hallway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I put FAR more weight in what YOU have to say than some 16 year old explorer who hasn't ever crawled down a smoke and fire filled hallway.
    Thanks. My response, as you may have surmised, was not directed nor intended for you Brother.And you CERTAINLY have a valid point on the Conquest hose. By the way. my Brother says Coors beer gets colder than Bud,hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Thanks. My response, as you may have surmised, was not directed nor intended for you Brother.And you CERTAINLY have a valid point on the Conquest hose. By the way. my Brother says Coors beer gets colder than Bud,hehe T.C.
    Fryed's comments on the Conquest hose also validates the same issues we had after using Conquest for many years. We've since changed to Ponn Supreme which is much better but still has that same propensity to kink just behind the nozzle coupling. We're finding that lots of practice and better technique allows us to use the "whipping motion" but clearly going from the relative stiffness of the 100 psi combo nozzles to the SB and Vindicator requires more than just some classroom theory.

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    Well I am interested; what else have you guys done to battle the kinking when going to low pressure/SB nozzles? This is a move my volunteer department is about to make so any tips are appreciated.
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    At the Massachusetts Fire Academy... one of the gems that are drilled into the heads of the recruits is the mantra "everyone is responsible for removing kinks in the line".... everyone meaning from the green as snot probie to a grizzled old Chief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firehouse_Chick View Post


    ^^^This new video reminded me of the discussion in this thread. Great points emphasized again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Well I am interested; what else have you guys done to battle the kinking when going to low pressure/SB nozzles? This is a move my volunteer department is about to make so any tips are appreciated.
    My POC FD uses Key Nitrile Rubber 2 inch hose with a 200 gpm at 75 psi combo nozzle with a 1 1/4 inch slug. We underpump initially to 160 gpm at roughly 55 psi, obviously can go to 200 gpm at 75 psi, or go to the slug for 300 at about 42 psi at the tip. We do not have a major problem with kinking. We do train our guys to understand it is everyone's job to clear the kinks, and especially the last guy on the line as he advanced.

    Teaching proper hose movement should ALWAYS involve training to clear the kinks.
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    FyredUp: I like the set-up you just described. Start the pump pressure at 100 psi, under pumping the tip (7/8" equivalent) at 160 gpm. Boost it to 150 psi engine pressure for the standard 75 psi nozzle at 200 gpm, If you need more, remove the tip and use the 1 1/4" slug supplied with a pump pressure of 190 to 200 psi, and deliver the 300 gpm. Even at 300 gpm the reaction force will only be 91 lbs. I like the thought process. NICE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KuhShise View Post
    FyredUp: I like the set-up you just described. Start the pump pressure at 100 psi, under pumping the tip (7/8" equivalent) at 160 gpm. Boost it to 150 psi engine pressure for the standard 75 psi nozzle at 200 gpm, If you need more, remove the tip and use the 1 1/4" slug supplied with a pump pressure of 190 to 200 psi, and deliver the 300 gpm. Even at 300 gpm the reaction force will only be 91 lbs. I like the thought process. NICE!

    Totally unrelated question:

    What size threads are on that 1.25" slug tip? are they 1.5" or 2.5"? I could be wrong, but it seems to me that with 1.5" couplings, that tip would be kinda flimsy- with walls of >1/8"... On the other hand, 2.5" would require an adaptor to do a break and extend. I love the idea, it's simple AND versatile- just trying to get my head around the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nozzle nut 22 View Post
    Totally unrelated question:

    What size threads are on that 1.25" slug tip? are they 1.5" or 2.5"? I could be wrong, but it seems to me that with 1.5" couplings, that tip would be kinda flimsy- with walls of >1/8"... On the other hand, 2.5" would require an adaptor to do a break and extend. I love the idea, it's simple AND versatile- just trying to get my head around the details.

    Since that is the nozzle set-up from my FD let me answer your question. It is not flimsy in the least and after 10 years we have not damaged or broken one of those tips.

    By the way, the 1 1/2 inches is the interior diameter of the water way on a 1 1/2 inch coupling. So if you look at our 1 1/4 inch slug tip the walls of the tip are roughly 1/4 inch thick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
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    Speaking for all of my knuckle dragging SAR guys... " Whats a Nozzle?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Since that is the nozzle set-up from my FD let me answer your question. It is not flimsy in the least and after 10 years we have not damaged or broken one of those tips.

    By the way, the 1 1/2 inches is the interior diameter of the water way on a 1 1/2 inch coupling. So if you look at our 1 1/4 inch slug tip the walls of the tip are roughly 1/4 inch thick.
    Great, that's what I was hoping- sounds much beefier than I had pictured.

    I should have quoted your post anyway, as yours was the set up I was asking about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronValor View Post
    Speaking for all of my knuckle dragging SAR guys... " Whats a Nozzle?"
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