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    I think he deserved it. Anyways, back to the topic at hand:
    I've learned a lot since I posted by uhh advice (if you can call it that). I asked my Chief that and told him my response, he told me to get a firefighter one book and start reading... Anyways, it was naive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Progressive? Have you been down here? We have a 2 month in probie who will run circles around you. Labeling yourself as a progressive is actually "laugh-out-loud" hilarious.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hope in your time of need that you are assisted by a firefighter just like yourself.
    Career or volunteer probie?

    Two very different animals with 2 very different sets of expectations at 2 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Career or volunteer probie?

    Two very different animals with 2 very different sets of expectations at 2 months.
    Yet you'd be willing to put your rural volunteers in an urban environment and expect them to perform flawlessly.



    Either way, I'd put a first week rookie against you any day of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Yet you'd be willing to put your rural volunteers in an urban environment and expect them to perform flawlessly.



    Either way, I'd put a first week rookie against you any day of the week.
    The progression of a volunteer will take longer than somebody who just completed a 16-week academy, as a volunteer would have to be trained over a much longer period. After that process, yes, a volunteer could perform at the level of a career firefighter trained at the academy.

    There is no doubt in my mind that a well trained volunteer could perform many, if not all tasks required in an urban environment.

    Nowhere did I say all, or even most, but there are some that would have the time and the work schedule to dedicate themselves sufficiently to do it. There are likely many more that could be trained to the level of a very competent support (ladders, fans, exterior ops, pump op/driver) member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    What a shame.




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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Yet you'd be willing to put your rural volunteers in an urban environment and expect them to perform flawlessly.



    Either way, I'd put a first week rookie against you any day of the week.
    Actually no, our volunteers are trained to operate in the rural enviroment. We have no need to train them for urban operations as we do not respond into the city.

    My last VFD our volunteers were trained to operate in urban conditions as we had multiple story sprinklered and non-sprinklered hotels, college dorms and offices buildings, and several unsprinklered indutrial buildings. In addition, we ran auto mutual aid into a small city (also covered by an all-volunteer department) with urban charecteristics.

    That being said, if we were in an more urbanized enviroment, it wouldn't be difficult to teach hydrant operations as compared to rural water, and instead of working on rural concerns such as brush fire ops and gas drilling site ops, we would train on strip mall and large commercial and residental building operations.

    In some cases, they may be able to perform as full-role firefighters. In others, they may only be able to function as limited role firefighters, which is acceptable, depending on the time they had available for training.

    I personally know of several all-volunteer departments that operate in semi-urban or urban enviroments and do just fine.
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